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To: river rat

You guys are so blind it isn’t even funny. If you for one second think that an Ultra conservative like Fred Thompson is electable... you are DEAD wrong. If we (GOP) want to have any chance of winning this race, we need to have someone who is not so far right.

Mike Huckabee did not need to refute all the things Fred said about him because he did so during the debate. Bottom line is that Huck was the Gov. in a very democratic state. I shouldn’t have to explain how that might effect his record.

-Huck wants the FairTax which is the most conservative of any plan.

-He wants to help out the Middle Class, but he has NEVER once said he doesn’t want to help the rich.

-Bottom line is... Fred will not win this nomination. McCain is doubtful. Romney will not win. Huck is the best bet. He is leading in the national polls. Many people find him refreshing.

Why is there so much hatred for Huck on this sight?


46 posted on 01/12/2008 7:40:09 AM PST by elephant08
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To: elephant08

Welcome to Free Republic.

I will not support Mike Huckabee.


63 posted on 01/12/2008 7:47:47 AM PST by jennyjenny
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To: elephant08
In a nutshell! Huckabee is a Southern Baptist preacher that was born in Hope, Arkansas.............

Never mind that he was either a Lt. governor or governor for much longer that he was a pastor.

65 posted on 01/12/2008 7:49:37 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: elephant08
I’ll say it again, everything that guy does gets under my skin, and I am an “evangelical” Christian. And let me ask YOU something my friend? Why did Reagan and Bush II get elected twice and the moderate GOP types like Dole and Bush I get clobbered? And why is the liberal media playing up this guy along with McCain? They know something you do not - he will also get clobbered by the Dems!
66 posted on 01/12/2008 7:50:07 AM PST by razzle
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To: elephant08
You guys are so blind it isn’t even funny. If you for one second think that an Ultra conservative like Fred Thompson is electable... you are DEAD wrong.

Wrong! Reagan was a true conservative and he won in two landslides. If Schmuckabee gets the nomination, he will lose in a landslide. Leftists and "moderates" (liberals) will not vote for a Leftist Republican. They will vote for the "real thing", a Leftist Democrat. Many conservatives will just not vote for your guy, whether you like it or not.

Why is there so much hatred for Huck on this sight?

Sight = site ... This is very very simple. FRee Republic is a CONSERVATIVE forum. Schmuckabee is a RINO, a lying Liberal who tries to convince us he is a conservative. With his views and his record, he belongs in the Democrat party.

73 posted on 01/12/2008 7:52:19 AM PST by webschooner
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To: elephant08; Admin Moderator
If you for one second think that an Ultra conservative like Fred Thompson is electable... you are DEAD wrong. If we (GOP) want to have any chance of winning this race, we need to have someone who is not so far right.

elephant08 Since Jan 12, 2008

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91 posted on 01/12/2008 8:00:51 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: elephant08
Why is there so much hatred for Huck on this sight?

Because Huck's an immature, babyish fool who has no concept of things like "gravitas", "maturity", or "tastefulness"? Because Huck is a liberal who has no concept of foreign policy, and who's economic agenda would turn us into a third world country if it were followed through to it's logical conclusions? Sheesh, I don't see why Huck doesn't just call Fred a poopyhead now, and be done with it.

95 posted on 01/12/2008 8:02:37 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Head and proud of it! Fear the Fred!)
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To: elephant08
"Why is there so much hatred for Huck on this sight?"

It's not hatred, you think supporters of Thompson and Hunter hate the Huckster?

I find it easy to separate the man and his politics, Huck may be a nice guy but we don't want or need a RINO as POTUS.

Looks like you forgot which site your posting on, FR is for Conservatives.

I am not willing to vote for Huckabee because some think of him as a centralist and more electable.

Fred is eminently more conservative, sometimes all a man has is his princlples and I am not willing to sacrifice them.

96 posted on 01/12/2008 8:02:58 AM PST by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: elephant08
I, for one, don’t hate him. I just wouldn’t vote for him.

Let’s say your right about a candidate needing to have liberal beliefs in order to become President. Then, why wouldn’t I just vote Democrat? Just because someone has an R in front of their name doesn’t make them a better choice.

If “we” need to nominate someone like this just to win, I’m in the wrong party.

Your argument that Huckabee was a Governor in a very Democrat state, hence his record, is very true, and the biggest reason I won’t vote for him. Your saying that he will do what he has to in order to remain popular, by Governing by opinion polls.

105 posted on 01/12/2008 8:06:57 AM PST by Rational Thought
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To: elephant08

It isn’t hatred. It is dismay, embarrassment, disbelief. I am not sure when you started following Gomer Huck Pyle, but it seems people who have been watching him closely don’t see him the same way.
This black dude in Michigan has been organizing democrats for Huck. I saw this dude with my own eyes call huck Gomer Pyle. His intent is to knock out Romney.
Dismay: Gomer’s “if we are nice to the terrorists they won’t hate us any more” and all his other foreign affair gaffs,not to mention his working with Mexico and using arkansas money to set up a mexican consulate for $1.00 a year, and his “OUR CHANCE TO MAKE UP FOR SLAVERY ......(TAKING IN AND TAKING CARE OF ILLEGALS) I know what he says now, but that was after the flak.


107 posted on 01/12/2008 8:07:04 AM PST by libbylu (Why vote for a democrat with an R next to their name?)
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To: elephant08

Go study the Christian Democratic movement in Europe and get back with us...


111 posted on 01/12/2008 8:10:32 AM PST by ejonesie22 (In America all people have a right to be wrong, some just exercise it a bit much...)
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To: elephant08
Mike Huckabee did not need to refute all the things Fred said about him because he did so during the debate.
You didn't hear Huckabee factually refute much of anything FDT said about him in the debate. He did deny-- but that was good enough for Huckabeebers.

Why is there so much hatred for Huck on this sight?
Don't confuse hatred for a complete lack of respect for a RINO. He may be pro-life and pro-gun, but that covers his conservative stances. He's a zero on illegal immigration and more.

112 posted on 01/12/2008 8:11:17 AM PST by Clara Lou (Thompson '08)
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To: elephant08

First, I actually gave money to Huckabee - something of which I am now deeply ashamed and regret.

Second, claiming Thompson is unelectable because he is an ultra-conservative shows you neither believe conservatism is a better approach, nor that conservatism can win. When conservatives start believing that, we are lost - which is why it was so important to discredit Harry Reid when he declared Iraq lost.

Conservatism only looses in the US when it gets water-downed and redefined, kind of like the way Huckabee does it.

Third, you are surrendering before the fight. Winning an election on the terms you suggest - electing somebody who openly grants moral equivalency to the likes of North Korea and Iraq - is to surrender the country and the free world. Look up the definition of Pyrrhic Victory, and that sums it up.

Fourth, of all people - Huckabee supporters - to use poll numbers as proof of electability or un-electability - is the height of hypocrisy; you’re own candidate shows what polling, particularly national polling, is worth at this stage.

Fifth, at least you admit he is not so far right, which is to say, he is really a liberal on foreign policy, federalism, and fiscal policy.

Sixth, he isn’t even running for president, he is running for Vice President - what was it you said about being blind - you can’t see he is trying to be McCain’s VP choice?

Seventh, he never responded in the debate, because he has no response. His statist approach to governance and inexplicable ignorance on foreign policy were on parade as the liberal democrat policies they are; and he couldn’t refute it. Which is why his media buddies were asking for a response - he failed to give one in the debate, and is still failing.

Eighth - a “sight” is something you see with or shoot through (like a receiver sight or tang sight), this is a “site”, as in website.

Ninth - Some on FR do hate. I find it as unfortunate as you do. Still, most seem to be laying out clear arguments on why they disagree with him, which is fair. I don’t hate Huckabee, but I do feel betrayed and tricked. There is a lot of passion - that would have something to do with the seriousness of the stakes...


123 posted on 01/12/2008 8:18:04 AM PST by TexasGunRunner (I'm in Iraq, I'm not going anywhere, deal with it.)
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To: elephant08
Why is there so much hatred for Huck on this sight?

Well, first of all it's a site, not a "sight". Anyway, I think Fred Thompson said it best:

It's an important issue, because I think it demonstrates what we're about here today. I think that Governor Huckabee's campaign manager said it accurately in terms of what they believe. They believe that it is over.

This is a battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party and its future. On the one hand, you have the Reagan revolution. You have the Reagan coalition of limited government and strong national security.

On the other hand, you have the direction that Governor Huckabee would take us in. He would be a Christian leader, but he would also bring about liberal economic policies, liberal foreign policies.

He believes we have an arrogant foreign policy and the tradition of, blame America first.

He believes that Guantanamo should be closed down and those enemy combatants brought here to the United States to find their way into the court system eventually.

He believes in taxpayer-funded programs for illegals, as he did in Arkansas.

He has the endorsement of the National Education Association, and the NEA said it was because of his opposition to vouchers.

He said he would sign a bill that would ban smoking nationwide. So much for federalism. So much for states' rights. So much for individual rights.

That's not the model of the Reagan coalition, that's the model of the Democratic Party.

124 posted on 01/12/2008 8:18:49 AM PST by xjcsa (Mike Huckabee: taxes = hope.)
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To: elephant08

Mike is that you?


127 posted on 01/12/2008 8:22:33 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: elephant08

If you think Fred is far right, you need to go back where you belong. DU.

You are not helping the Mikester, at least not on a conservative forum.

Go away new GOP clown shill. People like you come a dime a dozen on the cheap streets.


130 posted on 01/12/2008 8:26:18 AM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: elephant08
One can make very convincing arguments that the Roosevelt Administration was negligent at best, or worse, on this issue. (Several books address these topics.)

The only way we will win the WH is with a dead on conservative,like Fred. The only reason he hasn't moved up higher is due to lack of positive media coverage, the media is pushing the candidates they want, all of the liberals and Rinos. In the South Fred will shine in the primaries and Huckabee will not.

BTW, if you don't like right wing politics you should not be on this forum, there are several other forums for left wing politics, DU being the best known of these. Perhaps you should try posting there. Republican is supposed to be conservative, if you want liberal then should register as a Democrat or maybe you already are.

142 posted on 01/12/2008 8:34:53 AM PST by calex59
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To: elephant08
"Why is there so much hatred for Huck on this sight?"

When you can distingish between "Sight & Site", and learn to recognize that "Experience and Intelligence" creates "Vision" -- not "blindness" ----- then your comments as a newby may one day be recognized as an intelligent contribution...

The Huckster has earned every bit of contempt being showered on his illegal alien pandering, tax increasing, snake oil peddling and lying ass.

155 posted on 01/12/2008 8:47:46 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: elephant08
Because Mike Huckabee does not give a damn about this country. How can one like somebody who loves illegal aliens, pardons for criminals, and more taxes?
166 posted on 01/12/2008 8:56:45 AM PST by apocalypto
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To: elephant08

Lost your way, DU troll?


214 posted on 01/12/2008 9:41:38 AM PST by indcons
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To: elephant08
Why is there so much hatred for Huck on this sight?

I can only speak for myself, not anyone else on this "sight" (site).

Huckabee is as phony as a three dollar bill.

If this were 1850 he would be selling snake-oil as medicine.

Huckabee flip-flops as much as Flipper.

Huckabee has as much sincerity as Eddie Haskell in stripes.

215 posted on 01/12/2008 9:42:20 AM PST by Oorang (Tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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