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Outrage of the Week! (anti-2nd Amendment nonsense)
NRA ^ | 01/11/08 | staff

Posted on 01/11/2008 11:51:14 PM PST by epow

Outrage of the Week!

Friday, January 11, 2008

This week's outrage comes courtesy of columnist Bernd Debusmann of Reuters News Service, and an article he recently penned. This story, masquerading as a legitimate news article, might as well be an anti-gun organization's press release. Debusmann premises his piece on the argument that the American gun culture is "fading slowly," that gun ownership is declining, that support for stricter gun controls has been growing steadily, and that those in favor of stricter gun control laws represent a majority of the public. The source for this information is, not surprisingly, Josh Sugarmann of the vehemently anti-gun Violence Policy Center (VPC). And where did Sugarmann get his spurious information? From the National Opinion Research Center (NORC), a group who received grant funding from yet another anti-gun group, the Joyce Foundation.

Contrary to Debusmann's (read: Sugarmann's) assertions, statistics show that the number of privately owned guns is at an all-time high. The number of gun owners is at an all-time high. And the number of states with Right-to-Carry (RTC) laws is also at an all-time high, up from 15 in 1991 to 40 today.

No one should be surprised by an increase in the desire for self-defense following incidents such as 9/11 and the illegal gun confiscations that occurred in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. This premise is supported by statistics from the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), which has noted an increase in the sales of guns, particularly handguns, in recent years.

Support for stricter gun control has also declined, despite Debusmann's claims. Notably, a recent poll by Gallup concluded that support for gun control is declining. And according to a 2007 Zogby poll, 66% of the American voting public rejects the notion that new gun control laws are needed.

None of the above indicates a fading American gun culture. For Debusmann to declare otherwise just doesn't pass the "straight face" test. His claims are not only untrue and laughable, they're outrageous.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; nra; outrage; sugarman; vpc
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To: epow
Good job Grandpa!

An American tradition continues generation after generation!

21 posted on 01/12/2008 2:51:19 PM PST by 2111USMC (www.Fred08.com)
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To: Joe Brower
How well does that scope mount work on your SKS? I would like to scope my short-barreled Chinese SKS Paratrooper with a 2.5X scope I have lying around the bench, but I have read and heard lots of negative reports about SKS mounts that clamp onto or are screwed into the receiver's bolt cover. I have considered a "scout rifle" type mount that clamps onto the barrel ahead of the receiver and is used with a long eye-relief scope but haven't found one that will fit an SKS.

Cost is also a factor since the SKS is not one of my often used rifles, and I 'm on a very limited gun and shooting budget now that I'm retired.

22 posted on 01/12/2008 2:53:05 PM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how the hardest working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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To: 2111USMC
An American tradition continues generation after generation!

And it's gonna continue on my property as long as I am physically able and kids are around who want to learn the basics of shooting and will obey the safety rules that MUST me obeyed.

Of course my time here on this ball of dirt is limited by my age, and even if I live on another decade or more some liberal anti-gun president's JBBATFT (Jack-Booted Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Thugs) may cart me away at any time in cuffs and an orange jumpsuit for daring to introduce young skulls full of mush to the pleasures and security benefits of shooting and handling firearms.

BTW, assuming your screen name indicates your military status, thanks for serving our country. I know you weren't dragged kicking and screaming into the Corps, you had to be willing to be in to get in.

23 posted on 01/12/2008 4:42:20 PM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how the hardest working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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To: epow

Are fundamental human rights, recognized by the constitution, now subject to opinion polling?

That’s just so sick.


24 posted on 01/12/2008 4:47:04 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: epow
How well does that scope mount work on your SKS? I would like to scope my short-barreled Chinese SKS Paratrooper with a 2.5X scope I have lying around the bench, but I have read and heard lots of negative reports about SKS mounts that clamp onto or are screwed into the receiver's bolt cover.

I tried it with mine, and I discovered the scope would never stay centered. The SKS is so loosely made that the receiver can actually shift a bit, constantly throwing my scope off. That's one of the things that allows the rifle to continue to function even under extreme conditions, but it kinda screws you up for a scope. I just shoot iron sights with it now.

I don't know how the scout rifle scope mount will work. I know it can't be any less successful than a more conventional mount. If you try it, let me know how it works out.
25 posted on 01/12/2008 4:59:25 PM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: Dick Bachert

Thank you for those most excellent links.


26 posted on 01/12/2008 5:03:16 PM PST by FReepapalooza
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To: epow

P1ss on the left!


27 posted on 01/12/2008 5:30:22 PM PST by rbosque ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: PeteB570
As a man, husband, and father, I have a moral responsibility to protect and defend my family, friends, and neighbors. Any man who will not protect his wife and children is not a real man and I have no respect for these boys. I am not a large man and if someone breaks into my home I may not be able to stop them without a gun. I am getting sick and tired of these mommas boys and stupid women who are afraid of guns trying to stop me from exercising my 2nd amendment rights. These idiots have a death wish, I do not. I have the right to life and liberty, and so I have the right to defend those rights.

I am not a coward, I once helped a police officer who was being attacked by an intoxicated individual that was trying to take the officer gun from him. I did not have a gun with me at the time, but I had to assist the officer. I did so without hesitation and placed my life in jeopardy. I will not make that mistake again, I will be armed and ready.

Molon Labe

28 posted on 01/12/2008 7:33:52 PM PST by Do the math (Doug)
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To: JamesP81; epow

It’s less than 150 feet from my back property line to the curb. Iron sights work just fine for me at that range.

Scopes are useful in most other cases and I have a few rifles mounted with them but it’s better to practice with the ones I plan on using the most - if need be.

It’s interesting to pace of distances around your yard and inside your home. Take those paces to the range and set up some targets. “This one is from the back door to the shed door”, “door by the dining room to the front door” etc.


29 posted on 01/12/2008 7:49:28 PM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: JamesP81
I tried it with mine, and I discovered the scope would never stay centered.

That's what I have heard from others who have tried that rig. I guess I'll just forget the scope idea, my Chinese wonder weapon is not accurate enough to take advantage of a scope anyway. I do good to bust a water filled 2 liter plastic soda bottle at 100 paces with it, but when I do get lucky the spray of water really excites the kids who are watching.

30 posted on 01/12/2008 7:50:02 PM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how the hardest working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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To: Do the math
I am not a large man and if someone breaks into my home I may not be able to stop them without a gun.

I'm just slightly on the large side myself, 6'-190 lbs, but I'm also 70 years old with two debilitating diseases and I know that I can no longer physically fight a much younger assailant of almost any size on anywhere near equal terms. I have had a carry permit for the last 10 years, and if I'm ever seriously attacked even by an unarmed but considerably younger attacker I won't waste time and risk my life trying to trade punches, I'll go straight to my weapon and whatever happens next will be up to the attacker.

There are a few advantages to being old and in less than good health. In most cases a jury would not convict me for defending myself or a family member with deadly force against a much younger and more physically able unarmed attacker, and I doubt that a prosecutor would bother trying to put me away if there was credible evidence or testimony that I was under what a normal, rational person would perceive to possibly be a life threatening attack when I resorted to deadly force in self defense. After all, this is GA where the castle doctrine is law, and people have the right to use deadly force in defense of life or limb at any place where they have a right to be.

31 posted on 01/12/2008 8:45:27 PM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how the hardest working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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To: blackie
I'll see yours and raise you my latest tattoo!

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32 posted on 01/12/2008 8:47:06 PM PST by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: epow
That's what I have heard from others who have tried that rig. I guess I'll just forget the scope idea, my Chinese wonder weapon is not accurate enough to take advantage of a scope anyway.

Yep, that's been my experience too. It's not bad out to about 75 yards or so, but after that accuracy starts to become a problem. I sometimes use mine for deer hunting if I'm in brush because the range will be short and it can penetrate brush well enough. I don't take it hunting as much as I used to, though. I've got a Remington 710 7mm magnum I usually use now. And it's a nail driver. Hellishly accurate.
33 posted on 01/13/2008 7:47:33 AM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: epow
Good morning.

There are a number if receiver covers for the SKS that come with mounts built in so that the scope sits aft of the bolt and there are several inexpensive ComBloc scopes available. Some are decent, some not

They’re not here in California, of course, as we can’t be trusted with such things here.

Michael Frazier

34 posted on 01/13/2008 8:25:40 AM PST by brazzaville (No surrender, no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Andonius_99

I like the slogan, the tat is a little big for the old curmudgeon.

I’ll stick with the black panther on my forearm, I got in ‘48 while in the US Navy. ;)


35 posted on 01/13/2008 10:27:52 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie
I didn’t say gun ownership is declining?

Yes, I know YOU didn't say that. The article said that.

36 posted on 01/13/2008 10:39:24 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage

:):):)


37 posted on 01/13/2008 10:42:17 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: epow

The planned massive assault on firearm ownership by many Dems in 1994 was directly responsible for not only the surprise Republican victory in Congress but the avalanche of concealed carry permit procedures in many states. If they want a repeat they will get it.


38 posted on 01/13/2008 10:43:25 AM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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To: brazzaville
Thanks for the scope mount info, but I think I'll just stick withe iron sights, for now at least. As i said somewhere on the thread, my SKS isn't really accurate enough to take advantage of a scope anyway.

They’re not here in California, of course, as we can’t be trusted with such things here.

I suppose CA considers the old SKS to be an assault rifle. Simonov designed the SKS in th early years of WWII before the term "assault rifle" was applied to rifles, and as we all know an assault rifle has full auto capability and SKS didn't have that feature from the beginning and never did later on.

But try explaining that to a government bureaucrat or the average man on the street and all you would get is a blank stare. In their minds, and I use that term loosely in the case of bureaucrat, any gun that doesn't have to be broken open and reloaded by hand after every shot is a deadly assault weapon designed only to kill as many people as possible in the shortest length of time.

39 posted on 01/13/2008 1:31:20 PM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how the hardest working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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To: epow
Makes me want to go to Kittery Trading Post tomorrow and get another one.

And I've bought two there in the past year alone. Come and get them, indeed.
40 posted on 01/13/2008 8:39:17 PM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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