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Outrage of the Week! (anti-2nd Amendment nonsense)
NRA ^ | 01/11/08 | staff

Posted on 01/11/2008 11:51:14 PM PST by epow

Outrage of the Week!

Friday, January 11, 2008

This week's outrage comes courtesy of columnist Bernd Debusmann of Reuters News Service, and an article he recently penned. This story, masquerading as a legitimate news article, might as well be an anti-gun organization's press release. Debusmann premises his piece on the argument that the American gun culture is "fading slowly," that gun ownership is declining, that support for stricter gun controls has been growing steadily, and that those in favor of stricter gun control laws represent a majority of the public. The source for this information is, not surprisingly, Josh Sugarmann of the vehemently anti-gun Violence Policy Center (VPC). And where did Sugarmann get his spurious information? From the National Opinion Research Center (NORC), a group who received grant funding from yet another anti-gun group, the Joyce Foundation.

Contrary to Debusmann's (read: Sugarmann's) assertions, statistics show that the number of privately owned guns is at an all-time high. The number of gun owners is at an all-time high. And the number of states with Right-to-Carry (RTC) laws is also at an all-time high, up from 15 in 1991 to 40 today.

No one should be surprised by an increase in the desire for self-defense following incidents such as 9/11 and the illegal gun confiscations that occurred in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. This premise is supported by statistics from the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), which has noted an increase in the sales of guns, particularly handguns, in recent years.

Support for stricter gun control has also declined, despite Debusmann's claims. Notably, a recent poll by Gallup concluded that support for gun control is declining. And according to a 2007 Zogby poll, 66% of the American voting public rejects the notion that new gun control laws are needed.

None of the above indicates a fading American gun culture. For Debusmann to declare otherwise just doesn't pass the "straight face" test. His claims are not only untrue and laughable, they're outrageous.


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those in favor of stricter gun control laws represent a majority of the public.

Liars will lie, nothing new about that is there?

The main thing in the article that is interesting to me is that the Zogby poll indicates that 66% of Americans believe that no more gun control laws are needed. It would be even better if they believed that the 20,000 plus gun laws on the American books now are about 19,999 too many as it is, but that's probably asking too much from most people today considering the non-stop anti-gun propaganda that is spewed daily by the drive-by media.

Why is it so hard for otherwise sensible people to understand that criminals don't obey gun laws any more than they obey laws against murder, robbery, burglary, assault, etc, etc? The only people who are kept from possessing guns by gun control laws are the same law abiding people who most need the protection of privately owned firearms to defend against crimes being committed on their property and/or their persons. I ask again, what's so hard to understand about that?

1 posted on 01/11/2008 11:51:19 PM PST by epow
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To: epow
I ask again, what's so hard to understand about that?

Nothing. It's quite easy in fact. It's just that even simple understanding is beyond the ability of modern liberalism.
2 posted on 01/12/2008 12:03:05 AM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: epow

“Liars will lie”

Well, then call me a liar. Some unknown dude calls my house and says he’s doing a survey on guns in the home will get a big “not a single one” from me.

If he comes back after dark he’ll find that I don’t have “a single one”.

Hey wait - that means I’m not a liar. :-)


3 posted on 01/12/2008 3:50:53 AM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: PeteB570

“if he comes back after dark”

Heh, heh!

OBTW, Josh Sugarmann is the Nazi who wants children of gun owners to be ostracized in school, and is behind the push for doctors to interrogate their patients about guns (and report those who refuse to answer).

“Gun control is a tide that is always coming in.”


4 posted on 01/12/2008 4:46:36 AM PST by elcid1970
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To: epow

Gun grabbers lie as a routine matter. They have to, because the facts are not on their side.


5 posted on 01/12/2008 4:49:04 AM PST by ought-six
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...


6 posted on 01/12/2008 5:40:06 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: epow
These commie/fascist/anti-gunners/freedom-haters are just pumping up the lies and rhetoric in anticipation of the Supremes' March hearing of the Washington, DC case. These hacks know that this decision will be the worst defeat they have suffered in the courts in a LOOOOOOONG time.

God Bless America, our Founders and Sam Colt.

7 posted on 01/12/2008 6:17:57 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: epow

8 posted on 01/12/2008 6:20:25 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: epow; Joe Brower
...and then there is this Gem from the Bush DoJ.

Joe's graphic above may prove to be entirely too prophetic. Even if the time frame involved may be mere months rather than years...

9 posted on 01/12/2008 6:54:31 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: epow

I’ve had several literary run-ins with Sugarman since the mid 90’s. The guy is an idiot, using every flawed argument in the book and inventing a number of equally stupid new ones.

I suggest old Josh — whom I believe to be Jewish — ask fellow Jews who lived through Germany between ‘32 and ‘45 if THEY would have done anything differently then.

DISARMED GERMAN JEWS AND THE HOLOCAUST!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg9q9sxJFnA

WHY DO THEY WANT OUR GUNS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73SsNFgBO4


10 posted on 01/12/2008 6:57:11 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: epow

The NRA could say it’s true. If there are 36 million antigun members of the antigun AARP and only 3 million progun owners in the NRA then the numbers are correct.

There are only 3 million gun owners in the NRA who bother to support their Rights and 77 million gun owner who can’t get off the couch to throw away a mailer.

There are Freepers who complain they won’t join the NRA because they don’t want to be on a “list”.

There are Freepers who won’t join because they complain about those mailers. Funny thing is when they complain they can’t get off the couch, people like me are getting out the checkbook.

There are Freepers who don’t like the NRA because ONE board member is stupid while ignoring the 75 board members like Ted Nugent. I haven’t figured out how I feel about Ted acting like a stupid publicity hound but that’s another story.

There are Freepers who use any excuse to do nothing instead of using one excuse to do something as important as defending your Rights.


11 posted on 01/12/2008 7:32:20 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: elcid1970
and is behind the push for doctors to interrogate their patients about guns (and report those who refuse to answer).

And many doctors are getting in step with his push. I have heard several reports of pediatric physicians in the Atlanta metro area asking their young patients if their parents have guns in their homes.

If either of my kids had been asked that by a physician that would have been the last appointment that he or she would have kept with that doc, and I would have sent a strongly worded protest to the state medical association about the incident. That would not have done any good at the practical level, but at least I would have felt better for having made my anger known to the medical community which has no business whatsoever asking a child whether or not a parent has guns in his or her home.

12 posted on 01/12/2008 8:05:30 AM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how hard working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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To: Shooter 2.5
There are Freepers who complain they won’t join the NRA because they don’t want to be on a “list”.

I dropped my NRA membership last summer after being a member since 1966. I was disgusted and angry because of NRA support for the Schumer-McCarthy bill that still appears to me to make it easier for the FBI background check system to deny a disabled vet approval to buy a gun based on a negative mental evaluation by any anti-gun psychiatric physician who he or she may encounter.

I have read and heard the explanations and excuses offered by NRA officials, but I'm still not convinced. After all, why in the name of everything holy would antigun fanatics like Schumer and McCarthy fight for a bill that would benefit gun buyers? However, for practical reasons I will probably re-up later on this year depending on who the NRA endorses in the upcoming elections, but not at this critical time before I know who my choices will be next November and how NRA comes down on it's endorsements.

13 posted on 01/12/2008 8:50:30 AM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how hard working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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To: Joe Brower
Like your graphic, here's another good one:

Molon labe

14 posted on 01/12/2008 8:54:07 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie
that gun ownership is declining

Bull crap!

15 posted on 01/12/2008 9:03:57 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Dick Bachert

Excellent, Dick Bachert ~ thanks!!!


16 posted on 01/12/2008 11:31:30 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Puppage

I didn’t say gun ownership is declining?

I agree with you: gun ownership isn’t declining and ammo sales are booming!!


17 posted on 01/12/2008 11:34:31 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: epow
Any doctor asks one of my kids about guns, they’d say “Yeah, daddy takes us to the range almost every weekend!”.
18 posted on 01/12/2008 11:44:35 AM PST by 2111USMC (www.Fred08.com)
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To: Joe Brower

God help us all.


19 posted on 01/12/2008 1:05:15 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: 2111USMC

My grandkids might say, “Yeah there are guns in my home, and my grandpa is teaching me and my brother to safely shoot a .22 pistol and a .410 shotgun in his back yard whenever daddy takes us out to his place.”


20 posted on 01/12/2008 2:33:23 PM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how the hardest working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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