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Iranian deception in the Strait of Hormuz?
Strategic Intelligence Estimates.com ^ | 1/10/2008 | Strategic Intelligence Estimates.com

Posted on 01/10/2008 9:01:27 AM PST by John Robie

January 10, 2008 2:59 AM EST Threat Assessment Regarding US Ships in the Persian Gulf

Last weekend’s incident involving Iranian fast boats and US naval ships underscores the volatile nature of the Persian Gulf. During the incident, a US naval convoy was approached by five fast boats operated by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard (IRG). The Iranian boats came within 200 meters of convoy and issued threats indicating that they were conducting a suicide attack of some sort. The Iranian boats then turned around and fled the area.

The incident occurred in the strategically important Strait of Hormuz, through which 20% of the world’s oil supply is shipped. The strait is approximately 50 km wide, making it the narrowest point in the Persian Gulf. The strait functions as a choke point for one of the most important trade routes in the world. Previous intelligence reports indicate that Iran has plans to attack the US and allied naval ships along with private vessels in the Straits of Hormuz. Iran’s reason for doing so would be to prevent any US military action against their nuclear programs. The supposed attack plan would also possess an economic warfare component designed to cut off the regional oil trade, thus damaging America’s economy along with the global economy.

A plausible interpretation of last weekend’s incident is that it was some type of test run for the Iranian attack plan. The exact purposes of Iran’s actions remain unclear, but Strategic Intelligence Estimates.com believes the threatening maneuvers were possibly designed to accomplish some of these following purposes:

1) to conduct a dry run of a suicide bombing against US ships

2) to calibrate the reaction time and defensive techniques of the US Navy

3) to feint an attack in order to identify the specific maneuvers of the naval

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deceit; hormuz; intelestimate; iran; straitofhormuz; suicidebombing; usn
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This is an interesting theory.
1 posted on 01/10/2008 9:01:29 AM PST by John Robie
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I find it pretty troublesome to know that we were gun shy and didn't evaporate these boats. WE DID NOTHING.
2 posted on 01/10/2008 9:14:21 AM PST by NEPAConservative (flashboob)
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To: John Robie
Welcome to FR.


3 posted on 01/10/2008 9:15:02 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: NEPAConservative

well heck you know the Navy had to contact Nancy and Harry to find out what to do!


4 posted on 01/10/2008 9:21:46 AM PST by jrd
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To: NEPAConservative
I find it pretty troublesome to know that we were gun shy and didn't evaporate these boats.

Exactly what I find troublesome as well. What the heck? Nobody open fire on them - at all? Not even warning shots? Just stood there and took video of them? That's exactly how mass casualties happen!

5 posted on 01/10/2008 9:23:09 AM PST by Obadiah (I don't like to brag - but I'm half bilingual!)
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Iran might close the strait?

We might close the strait. If we close it, or even merely slow up Iranian ship traffic through the strait, Iran’s economy will collapse in two weeks. They are completely dependent on exports through the strait for their national income, and completely dependent on imports for gasoline to run their trucks. Astonishingly, they do not produce gasoline sufficient to run their economy.

This is how the US Navy came into the Persian Gulf in the first place, during the Iran Iraq War they started harassing arab ship traffic, and we started escorting ships into and out of the Gulf. We did not close the strait to Iranian traffic, but if we did it the result would be catastrophic for Iran. We can close it to them, and maintain it open to everyone else.


6 posted on 01/10/2008 9:28:34 AM PST by marron
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To: NEPAConservative
What bothers me is how people pissed and moaned that we did nothing to prevent the USS Cole tragedy, yet a sworn enemy of the United States has its boats swarm our warships, dump unidentified 'boxes' in their path and all we do is bob and weave around them.

The Iranian boats should have been blown from the water. Period.
7 posted on 01/10/2008 9:30:49 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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I concur. I am curious as to who or what detected the speedboats. If it was visual as opposed to electronic then the Iranians might attempt this stunt at night.


8 posted on 01/10/2008 9:31:01 AM PST by Zoids
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This is an interesting theory.

Interesting in a "do these guys actually con people out of their money?" sort of way.

For example, this comment doesn't withstand even cursory scrutiny:

Previous intelligence reports indicate that Iran has plans to attack the US and allied naval ships along with private vessels in the Straits of Hormuz. Iran’s reason for doing so would be to prevent any US military action against their nuclear programs. The supposed attack plan would also possess an economic warfare component designed to cut off the regional oil trade, thus damaging America’s economy along with the global economy.

The obvious flaws being:

1. Attacking US and allied naval ships would not "prevent action" against any Iranian targets. Indeed, as an overt act of war it would provide the pretext for taking out all of Iran's capabilities, nuclear and otherwise. And anyway, the assets that would launch the attacks wouldn't be in the Straits of Hormuz in any case.

2. The threat of economic consequences would do nothing to halt a response to an overt act of war by Iran. And the economic consequences on Iran would be ruinous.

And so we come to this: "A plausible interpretation of last weekend’s incident is that it was some type of test run for the Iranian attack plan."

It's about as plausible as the previous assessment -- yeah, they could have been doing that, but there are much better explanations available, such as "sending a message to Bush while he's in Israel," or "hoping that the USN would provoke an incident by firing on the Iranians."

9 posted on 01/10/2008 9:40:49 AM PST by r9etb
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The Iranians regard themselves as great chess players.

Their next move might even be a boat of innocents, rapidly approaching.


10 posted on 01/10/2008 9:41:27 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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I find it pretty troublesome to know that we were gun shy and didn't evaporate these boats. WE DID NOTHING.

Nothing except win the confrontation. The USN's decision to hold their fire was the correct one. Iran now has no pretext for calling us irresponsible or trigger-happy, when and if they try this again and we do blast their boats.

11 posted on 01/10/2008 9:43:04 AM PST by r9etb
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Why doesn't the navy get some powerful lasers and point them at the Iranian boats' shipmates to burn up their retinas?

They can deny using any weapons at all and teach the buggers a lesson at the same time.

12 posted on 01/10/2008 9:43:44 AM PST by Nachum
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Better still, since Iranian media says we fabricated the incident, they surely won’t object when we destroy some “file footage” next time.


13 posted on 01/10/2008 9:45:39 AM PST by william clark (DH4WH08 - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: NEPAConservative

Worse than doing nothing the Secretary of the Navy actually PRAISED them for the ineptitude. The commander of the group should have been reprimanded in order to dissuade further probes of our defenses.


14 posted on 01/10/2008 9:46:50 AM PST by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: NEPAConservative
USS Cole (DDG 67) post October 12, 2000.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to (have their citizens suffer and) repeat it."
George Santayana



15 posted on 01/10/2008 9:47:36 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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Of course Iran is saying America is lying about the incident and is releasing their own video of what happened.

Here is the text of the audio portion of the new video:

“Hello American ships welcome to the fascinating Strait of Hormuz where 30 percent of the world’s oil supply passes. Welcome, welcome, welcome my friends. Can I trouble you to tell me your destination, so that our escort boats can lead your way safely through this narrow channel? May I offer you an itinerary of things to do during your stay in the beautiful Persian Gulf? We have a list of the most ideal luxury Persian Gulf hotels and 5 star resorts the Gulf has to offer, and this is all provided to you by Great Iran, the pearl of the Persian Gulf.”


16 posted on 01/10/2008 9:49:13 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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How is it known that the guys were with Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard?


17 posted on 01/10/2008 9:53:55 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (1/27 Wolfhounds...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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We know that Iran originally purchased these fast boats from the PRC, with the intention of using them to swarm the larger, less agile ships in the narrow Strait of Hormuz. We also know that Iran has land-to-sea missiles, submarines and underwater demolition units that could potentially threaten the US Navy. Our conclusion is that the Iranian maneuver was very likely a tactical feint designed illicit a tactical response, a tactical response that could then be analyzed and calibrated for future exploitation in a larger attack.

Straight, Clarifying, Thinking

18 posted on 01/10/2008 10:01:14 AM PST by HangnJudge
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The best way to deal with a swarm is a little bug spray on the nest, at night, when they are all there.


19 posted on 01/10/2008 10:19:38 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: ElectricStrawberry

They have taken over operations in the Gulf several years ago, and this is right up their playbook.


20 posted on 01/10/2008 11:04:54 AM PST by John Robie
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