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14 million illegal aliens 45 million uninsured...

Posted on 01/10/2008 6:57:58 AM PST by JohnRand

I often hear numbers ranging from 14 million to 20 million illegal aliens in America. I also often hear numbers ranging from 40 million to 45 million uninsured people in America. Is it safe to say that 14 million of the 40 million uninsured are illegal aliens? If so, does anyone know where I might find data to back up that argument besides just my gut feeling? Any help would be most appreciated!


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KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; universalhealthcare
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To: Sgt_Schultze
WOW,,,great video!

Thanks for the link--it gives me real info to fight my liberal relatives that 'rant' about the need for health insurance for ALL!!

21 posted on 01/10/2008 7:55:17 AM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: stockstrader
Watch Two Women as well. It'll show your lib friends what is in store if their wishes come true for a Canadian model.
22 posted on 01/10/2008 7:58:23 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: edcoil

Exactly. Health insurance companies should be allowed to offer their policies in all 50 states. As of now, they have restrictions on what states they can sell. It creates small monopolies throughout each state, which limits choices, which causes higher premiums because the risks of diverse demographics cannot be spread out. States like Florida, Arizona, etc., with excessive amounts of elderly people, have higher rates because they are the biggest users.


23 posted on 01/10/2008 8:07:02 AM PST by Ron in Acreage (Thinking of new tagline)
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To: 3AngelaD

>>>>>U.S. hospitals often end up absorbing the costs of caring for uninsured immigrants, because they are required to provide emergency room care to all.

LEGAL immigrants must have a financial sponsor AND a legal “affidavit of financial support” guaranteeing that the immigrant’s bills will be paid and that he/she will not make use of government (local, state, federal) benefits. The AFS is a legal contract and can be enforced against the sponsor by any business or government agency for payment of the immigrant’s bills.

Of course the illegal alien has no such obligation.


24 posted on 01/10/2008 8:09:30 AM PST by angkor ("We are not very many mistakes away from a second Holocaust." Newt Gingrich, Nov 15 2007)
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To: Ron in Acreage

>>>>Wife has insurance through her job. He can well afford it but chooses not to buy it.

Why would a married couple have two health insurance policies? My wife is covered on my policy, and always has been.


25 posted on 01/10/2008 8:12:36 AM PST by angkor ("We are not very many mistakes away from a second Holocaust." Newt Gingrich, Nov 15 2007)
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To: JohnRand
My unofficial survey of three illegal aliens (who've hit me) and a fourth (who borrowed a car I'd recently sold) - says they are all, universally and unabashedly, not insured.
PS: Don't count on finding them at the address shown on their California drivers license either.
26 posted on 01/10/2008 8:20:01 AM PST by norton (deep down inside you know that Fred is your second choice - and there isn't a third choice)
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To: edcoil
Over 90% of young adults age 18 to 42 never see a doctor

You consider 42 a young adult? You can sit here by me.

Sorry, couldn't resist

27 posted on 01/10/2008 8:22:14 AM PST by Hoffer Rand
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To: JohnRand
And there are three million "homeless." They just pull these numbers out ot their collective a$$#ole$ to suit whatever their agenda is at any given moment.

ML/NJ

28 posted on 01/10/2008 8:22:53 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: angkor

He may choose to get on hers, i’m not sure. I’m self employed and I had myself and 2 kids insured privately, while my wife was insured through her job. Hers was provided “free” as part of her compensation. It was cheaper for me and the kids to get a plan of our own than to get on hers, and we had a better plan. We did that for about 10 years. As of now, we are on her plan. My private plans rates went up and hers was now cheaper. BC/BS of Florida.


29 posted on 01/10/2008 8:27:21 AM PST by Ron in Acreage (Thinking of new tagline)
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To: angkor

Wrong. First affidavits of support only apply to means-tested benefits, not general benefit programs such as Medicare. That distinction aside, please tell me what percentage of affidavits of support have ever been successfully enforced? Back in 1996 the U.S Commission on Immigration reform advised that the affidavits of support should be made legally enforceable, but THAT HASN’T HAPPENED. In addition, the public charge test does not apply to refugees or persons granted asylum in the U.S., Haitians, Cubans or Nicaraguans, Amerasians, certain Soviet and Indochinese illegals. The foreign-born utilization of SSI is confirmed by administrative data. SSI program data reveal that approximately 25 percent of elderly SSI recipients are foreign-born.


30 posted on 01/10/2008 8:33:10 AM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: 1rudeboy; All

data from the census bureau at:

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/hlthins/hlthin06/p60no233_table6.pdf

indicates 10 million “non citizens” were included in the “uninsured” category for 2006.

What the data does not tell you about their methodology is that the “uninsured” includes millions who were “without coverage” for the brief periods during a change of jobs, simply because they chose not to take the COBRA coverage for that period.

While the data does report the 9+ million “uninsured” with incomes over 75K/year, it does not tell you how many of them are young, single and/or very well-off and without
coverage by choice.

There are many other anomalies in the data that are not identified by the bureau.

The census bureau’s reporting and lack of clarification on this important issue constitutes a public fraud.


31 posted on 01/10/2008 9:09:13 AM PST by Wuli
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To: JohnRand
Illegal aliens don't buy insurances of any sort - medical, home, auto, life. The same is true to varying degrees of some legal aliens and native born peoples also.

Voting for McCain destroys what remains of our sovreignty!


I'd rather be waterboarded than vote for John McCain.
32 posted on 01/10/2008 9:11:47 AM PST by citizen (Capt. McQueeg: "Have any of you an explanation for the quart of missing strawberries?" [click-clack])
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To: 3AngelaD
BCBSA Analysis Shows One-third of Uninsured Americans Could Have Affordable, Quality Healthcare Coverage Immediately
33 posted on 01/10/2008 9:13:57 AM PST by CholeraJoe ("At last my arm is complete!" Sweeney Todd)
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To: 3AngelaD

>>>>>affidavits of support only apply to means-tested benefits, not general benefit programs such as Medicare.

I wasn’t addressing that, since the number of Medicare-eligible LEGAL immigrants is rather small in the grand scheme of things.

>>>>>>That distinction aside, please tell me what percentage of affidavits of support have ever been successfully enforced?

Like the rest of the immigration code, probably never. But the tools to do so are there. The notarized and witnessed AFS is hard to argue with should any entity demand payment under its provisions. Sort of like our other labor, immigration, and deportation codes.


34 posted on 01/10/2008 9:17:28 AM PST by angkor ("We are not very many mistakes away from a second Holocaust." Newt Gingrich, Nov 15 2007)
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To: television is just wrong

I have always wondered why Mexico can’t take care of their own people. Don’t they have oil? I remember when Vincenti Fox was on O’Reilly and he asked him the same question. Fox just kind of mumbled. In other words it was easier to let the American people take care of Mexico. Why can’t they have American and foreign business set up in Mexico?


35 posted on 01/10/2008 10:34:19 AM PST by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: red irish

there are more billionaires percapita in Mexico than any other country in the world

there is no incentive to take care of the problem. it is VERY profitable to let their people explore the Northern Frontier. They are here to take over, as was said more than 50 years ago, house by house, street by street not one bullet shot we will take our territory back.


36 posted on 01/10/2008 8:12:20 PM PST by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END Welfare)
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