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Mazda uses the system in its Speed6. It gets 270 horsepower, 27 percent more than the V-6 Mazda 6 sedan and it costs nearly $7,000 more.

Very nice car but Mazda is discontinuing for 2008 due to lack of interest.

 

1 posted on 01/09/2008 9:50:31 AM PST by Incorrigible
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2 posted on 01/09/2008 9:52:34 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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They did this in 1976; Jimmah Carter era.

I think we had a Chevy Impala with 4 or 6 that produced something like 95hp.

What a P.O.S.


3 posted on 01/09/2008 9:53:31 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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I have a Sky Redline (at least for now).

The engine is amazing. 260HP and about the same torque out of a 2.0 liter four cylinder.

Its scary fast (of course it doesn’t weigh all that much either).


4 posted on 01/09/2008 9:54:40 AM PST by chrisser ("Europe has become a theme-park representation of its former self." - Chrisser)
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My contention with squeezing lots of HP out of little motors has always been durability. Let’s face it, the more stress you subject machines to, the quicker they wear out. The alternative is to use expensive alloys and polymers to resist the additional wear and tear. So far, to the best of my knowledge, the racing industry and high performance aftermarket autos are the only place these very pricy motors are used.

So, in 2010 when Ford wants me to by a 350 hp, F-150 with a V-6 in it, I will search around for the 300 hp V-8 and have confidence that I will still get 200,000+ miles out of it over 10 to 15 years.


7 posted on 01/09/2008 9:58:39 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Racism? There are more than a million people in the world that want me dead because I am American!)
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Most “slashing” power is needed only in short bursts. Given the current state of the laws (yuck), the engine coupled with a fast response, “power bursting” technology will go a long way in the market. Currently there are not too many options:

turbo boost - usually a noticeable delay in the boost
battery assist - takes lots of batteries and adds considerable weight
ultra capacitor - new technology and still adds weight but not as much as battery assist
flywheel - old technology that could be improved but it too adds weight and can cause handling problems if not engineered properly.

Alternatively, you can reduce the mass of the vehicle. This will require expensive new materials and new designs that are not yet tested. These new designs may cause an increase in the number of highway deaths.

So, Congress either wants you to have less fun or is willing to sacrifice the lives of it’s citizens.


8 posted on 01/09/2008 9:58:43 AM PST by taxcontrol
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I have never been impressed with the Ford V8, having driven two vehicles with them. The third Ford I drove was a Mustang with a V6 that had better pick-up and responsiveness than both V8s. That’s more likely a weight issue. But then again, I drove the Lincoln LS with a 6 cylinder, also better than a V8.


9 posted on 01/09/2008 9:59:22 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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Turbo and super-charging are the way to go. They should have been producing them for the last 30 years in all vehicles.


11 posted on 01/09/2008 10:00:27 AM PST by subterfuge (1st choice: Hunter------2nd choice: Thompson-----3rd choice: there is no 3rd choice!)
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History repeating itself - it’s the 1980’s all over again. How will those things tow a boat through hilly northern Michigan?
(Not that there are too many people left here)


12 posted on 01/09/2008 10:00:52 AM PST by PCBMan (We hit a snag when the universe imploded. But Dad seemed cautiously optimistic.)
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SOLUTION: PUT DIESELS IN ‘EM!!

More bang per cylinder.


14 posted on 01/09/2008 10:01:05 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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This is why God gave us used Lexus LS400s:

A sedate-looking real-wheel-drive monster with a 4.0 liter, 290hp V8. It looks like you're obeying the speed limit when The Law is around, but it'll deliver 0-60mph in 6.6 seconds. And, it's built by Toyota, so it'll run forever.

18 posted on 01/09/2008 10:01:45 AM PST by TonyInOhio (C*H*A*N*G*E (Covert Hillary Agency for Negative Gushing Effusions))
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Big pickups would use four-cylinder engines

LOL, yeah, well, get ready to see your truck division go bust, pal.

20 posted on 01/09/2008 10:02:50 AM PST by LibWhacker (Democrats are phony Americans)
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I don’t suppose this bodes well for the V-10s like my wife and I have in our F250 and Excursion.


21 posted on 01/09/2008 10:03:07 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired of all the politics in politics.)
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From my cold dead hands.......

Auto enthusiasts really need an NRA type organization. Anyone know of anything close?

22 posted on 01/09/2008 10:03:22 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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Think the F150 counts as a “big commercial truck”? If not my dad will be switching brands. He’s had 3 F150’s so far but won’t get rid of his V8 engine to stay in the Ford family.


28 posted on 01/09/2008 10:06:17 AM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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Very nice car but Mazda is discontinuing for 2008 due to lack of interest.

I'm no accountant of true cost of horsepower.
Thus I do wonder if that extra $7,000 for an extra 27 horsepower
really is a reasonable deal for the consumer.

In other words, is Ford/Mazda's real extra cost more like $2,000
for the added hardware and research and they are just picking up
an extra sweet $5,000 profit?

I'n not slamming Ford/Mazda...just wondering what the dollar-and-cents
analysis of this extra dollar per horsepower situation means to
the car buyer and the manufacturer.

As for the competitiveness of some Mazda models, they lost my
mom last year when she was car shopping...about $3,000 more for
a Mazda as compared to a similar Toyota model.
(Of course, the question of whether there will be a Ford/Mazda
dealership/service out here in flyover country in a few years
also factored into the decision.)
30 posted on 01/09/2008 10:07:05 AM PST by VOA
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Top Gear Prius test

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdwRhYjio8Y


32 posted on 01/09/2008 10:09:59 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (I think I'll buy everyone a carbon credit for Christmas.)
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Oops!
I meant “an extra 27 percent horsepower”, not “27 extra horsepower”
in my post 30 above.


33 posted on 01/09/2008 10:10:15 AM PST by VOA
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Off-topic comment: Why does the Lincoln MKS look like a Pontiac? What were they thinking with that grille design???


34 posted on 01/09/2008 10:12:43 AM PST by Dan Middleton
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Ford looks to be in a death spiral. Would you rather have an expensive Turbo6 in your Ford pickup, or a Toyota with a V8? (Hint: higher temperatures and pressures lead to shorter engine lives)


36 posted on 01/09/2008 10:12:57 AM PST by PAR35
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I'm not an auto expert, but isn't Ford going about this the wrong way? I've got a fully loaded Ford F-150 4x4 pickup truck with the LARGER V-8 (5.7 liters), and I've averaged 16-17 miles per gallon (I can get better than 20 on the highway) since Day 1. The major factor in this case is the transmission (it's got a low gear ratio that makes it run more efficiently at highway speeds), not the engine size.

Why don't some of these auto manufacturers simply take their existing engines and add another gear (5th, 6th, or even 7th) to improve fuel economy?

Conversely, the auto industry could push the U.S. government to do one thing that would probably be quite effective in improving overall fuel efficiency: Increase the number of vehicles with manual transmissions on the road. This isn't a bad idea at all . . . if Congress is going to force people to drive certain types of cars to meet these fuel standards, they might as well force them to drive cars that require a driver who -- well, KNOWS HOW TO DRIVE.

37 posted on 01/09/2008 10:13:21 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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