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U.S. worst in health care (Yahoo headline - No bias here!) LoL
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Posted on 01/09/2008 7:22:53 AM PST by nuconvert

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To: Tarpon
Oh dear, lookee what happened. This story is probably right below this headline on Yahoo’s front page /s!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1950816/posts

41 posted on 01/09/2008 7:46:11 AM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: MrB
And from '04...

Better for old to kill themselves than be a burden, says Warnock

Yeah, let's hear it for socialized medicine.

42 posted on 01/09/2008 7:47:34 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: nuconvert
Who decides if heart bypass surgery is elective?

That's easy - if the patient hasn't died yet, it's elective.

43 posted on 01/09/2008 7:47:59 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: mewzilla

Well, there’s another agenda there.

When 2nd trimester babies start being “saved” - that puts the whole question of “viability” into play, and threatens late term abortions.


44 posted on 01/09/2008 7:48:14 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB
....threatens late term abortions.

But those they'll pay for, I'll bet....

45 posted on 01/09/2008 7:49:37 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

Yes, but you are stating facts. As a publik scewl teechur, I am supposed to indoctrinate all of my students into the Bush is evil loony left. I must lie to them, just like Teddy the waitress sandwich Kennedy wrote No Child Left Behind and everybody blames Bush for NCLB.


46 posted on 01/09/2008 7:52:03 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: nuconvert

The physicians usually. If the member doesn’t agree, they’re free to pay for it themselves at a private hospital, go to the US and pay for it, or as sometimes happens, show up in an ER in the US complaining of chest pain and get it for nothing.


47 posted on 01/09/2008 7:52:56 AM PST by CholeraJoe ("At last my arm is complete!" Sweeney Todd)
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To: nuconvert
After listening to the story, the actual story said that the US had the worst rate of improvement (4% vs an average of 16% improvement) among industrial nations in reduction of "preventable" deaths. Without the context of actual numbers of preventable deaths and the improvement for each country, such statistics are meaningless at best, and more likely to be directly misleading.

As an example, consider the following hypothetical scenario in which we are measuring the "improvement" or reduction of some bad characteristic:
The beginning numbers are as follows:
US: 25 bad incidents
Austrailia: 100 bad incidents
Europe: 80 bad incidents
Japan: 60 bad incidents

After the "improvements" the numbers are as follows:
US: 24 bad incidents (only a 4% improvement)
Austrailia: 80 bad incidents (a whopping 20% improvement)
Europe: 70 bad incidents (a 12% improvement)
Japan: 50 bad incidents (a 16% improvement)

Thus, the US only had a 4% reduction in these bad incidents compared to an average of 16% improvement for the other countries studied, so the US is the "worst" even though its actual rate of the bad incidents is less than half of that of the next closest country, and less than a third of that of the country that showed the greatest improvement.

I am not suggesting that these are the actual numbers or ratios for the preventable deaths per capita or whatever measure is used for the various countries. I am pointing out how a particular measure can be highlighted in a research study to distort reality. This news story takes a statistic but fails to provide any context to substantiate the conclusion that the statistic is used to support.

48 posted on 01/09/2008 7:53:43 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: goodwithagun

“Yes, but you are stating facts. As a publik scewl teechur, I am supposed to indoctrinate all of my students into the Bush is evil loony left. I must lie to them, just like Teddy the waitress sandwich Kennedy wrote No Child Left Behind and everybody blames Bush for NCLB.”

He signed it and had Kennedy on stage with him.

Bush is a socialist fool, and incompetent at fighting the dems. When he lucks out, the koolaiders call it “strategery.”

It’s like tripping over a crack, and saying, “I meant to do that!”


49 posted on 01/09/2008 7:54:56 AM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: mewzilla

Imagine the outcry if there was a 1 year wait for the “elective surgery” of abortion...


50 posted on 01/09/2008 7:55:47 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: CholeraJoe
they’re free to pay for it themselves at a private hospital

Part of Hillarycare was to make this illegal, giving jail terms for the doctor and patient who made this arrangement.

51 posted on 01/09/2008 7:56:52 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: VRWCmember

Very good analysis, VRWCmember. This “study” is a textbook example of how to lie with statistics.


52 posted on 01/09/2008 8:07:51 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: nuconvert
The ultimate in socialized Medicine is Holland.

If you are over 60 and go to a Dutch hospital you chances of leaving alive are very low. Euthanasia is practiced with extreme prejudice.

53 posted on 01/09/2008 8:08:49 AM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: nuconvert
European medical “ethicists” encourage suicide and euthanasia because, under socialized medicine, the patient is a liability rather than a customer. It costs money to care for people and so one way to eliminate costs is to eliminate the patient. The last thing in the world you want to be is a liability to the state.

Under free-market health care, the more patients the more revenue for the doctors.

54 posted on 01/09/2008 8:21:21 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: MrB
Imagine the outcry if there was a 1 year wait for the “elective surgery” of abortion...

It wouldn't stop them. Postnatal abortions are common in China.

55 posted on 01/09/2008 8:23:19 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: massgopguy
Dear Beloved FReepers,

I must agree wholeheartedly. Consider the stupid war on cholesterol for example. The real problem is not cholesterol it's triglycerides. They all know it, but fear sells lots of drugs. After stuffing it's population full of Lipitor and other statins, which all cause muscle pain from decreased oxygen delivery. Indoctinated primary care providers prescribe statins that in turn cause muscle pain from ischemia of a cardiac nature. Conservatively, 40-50K fatal Heart Attacks occur each year in patients on statins.

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FRegards, DrMike PS Never stop fighting for a Free Republic!

56 posted on 01/09/2008 8:33:45 AM PST by STD (God Save Us All From Evil)
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To: truemiester
The ultimate in socialized Medicine is Holland.

So are you saying that their system is superior to the US?

It is if you measure it by life expectancy......just think how much higher it might be without euthanasia.

57 posted on 01/09/2008 8:36:09 AM PST by ninonitti
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To: massgopguy

“US Worst in Healthcare: Except for all the others”

Okay, how bout: “US Life Expectancy Lags Behind France”?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy


58 posted on 01/09/2008 8:54:18 AM PST by ninonitti
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The usual. Quantity over quality. Form over substance.

The level of care is crummy. But we all have it. Not counting the “leaders,” of course.


59 posted on 01/09/2008 10:17:54 AM PST by DPMD
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To: goodwithagun
"There are NO Canadian hospitals that can handle multiple births over two or three."


Perfect metric to measure socialized med -- in England (100% complete state-run, not just the insurance) -- she would've been encouraged to abort.
60 posted on 01/09/2008 11:34:06 AM PST by Harrius Magnus (Pucker up Mo, and your dhimmi Leftist freaks, here comes your Jizya!)
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