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First, thanks for your response in 566 Mark.

I noted that you two were decrying the reality that some folks are very fed up with our nation moving continually left, and that they are determined to stop supporting the cadidacy of anyone who professes an intent to advance leftist ideals. While I understand where both of you are coming from, I am at a loss to understand what you offer as a solution. In effect you offer us the status down hill quo. That's no offer. That's a surrender.

George Bush signed a bill to provide medication to seniors. It's another 'great society' program ala Lyndon Johnson. It will be with us for decades. It won't go away. And over time, there are going to be other 'great leftist plans' that our side is going to implement if we let them. This was just one example of liberalism/socialism being introduced by folks we put in office.

Now there is talk by several candidates of offering up our own healthcare plan. Yet, if one of these dunces wins the nomination, you folks want us to vote for them. Why?

I share your concern with the Supreme Court appointments. I shared that concern while seven of the current nine judges were appointed by people I voted for. Where did that get us? It got us to the place where we still can't count on them for decent rulings from the bench. If two justices do get replaced in the next term which ones will it be? I believe at least one of them will be a leftist judge. At the worst, we will still have appointed six of nine judges under the worst case scenario by the end of the next term.

The alternative is to vote in someone who will advance the leftist's cause more often than not, will continue to parcel off our sovereignty, will allow our borders to be over run, and will more than likely (if the past is any indication) appoint a judge who won't side with us on many issues anyway. Anotherwords, we'll give away the farm for an appointment that is extremely iffy even under the best of terms.

Some of those appointments look rather decent before the judges were appointed. Then look what happened.

Is it worth it to give in on the liberal agenda, considering that we may or may not get what we want in a judge? I don't think so. Are you going to tell me I should vote for Rudy so I can get the best judge possible?

Right now we're being asked to vote for people who in the 1960s would have been registered as democrats and we would have been diametrically opposed to what they stood for. Now we're being asking to bite the bullet and vote for them. And in another ten to twenty years we'll be asked to vote for folks who have adopted the democrat's 1970 ideals.

Enough is enough. If those who run under the republican flag today would register as democrats, that party would be somewhat positively effected. Ours would be immeasurably improved, as serious conservatives could finally win the nomination and get the chance to frame their ideals against those of the leftists. As it is, we simply loft a lefist lite, to argue with a full blown leftist.

Again, I appreciate your concerns. And if you want to cast me as a divide and conquer victim that's okay. I live in California and if you think you know the half off divide and conquer, have I got news for you.

Right now we're being asked to vote for people who in the 1960s would have been registered as democrats and we would have been diametrically opposed to what they stood for. Now we're being asking to bite the bullet and vote for them. And in another ten to twenty years we'll be asked to vote for folks who have adopted the democrat's 1970 ideals.
Enough is enough. If those who run under the republican flag today would register as democrats, that party would be somewhat positively effected. Ours would be immeasurably improved, as serious conservatives could finally win the nomination and get the chance to frame their ideals against those of the leftists. As it is, we simply loft a lefist lite, to argue with a full blown leftist.

Taking cyanide, in whatever manner it has been wrapped, at whatever dosages it is measured, is still poison and will kill you. The RINO's are what is killing America, as well as those who continue spouting the RINO mantra: "the lesser of two evils."

This country moves ever left, thanks to the RINO's and those who support and vote for them.

Doughty,

I think you make some good points overall, but I think you over-stating it by saying that the people were are voting for today would have been Democrats in the 1960’s or 70’s. I do not think George Bush would have ever qualified as a Democrat, nor John McCain. Guys like Rudy and Romney might have, but only to the extent that they were trying to remain electorally viable in the Northeast. Rudy is often ripped on here as a Leftist, but people ignore his consistent stand on Law & Order issues where he was always well to the right. And his economic stands were always right/center. Romney was right/center too, like his Father who I’m sure you remember, but he moved Left when he tried to win in Massachusetts.

This is Politics...people tailor their message to the Electorate...

And for me, even if I agree with you on many of your points (and I do!) the problem is that it ignores the most critical issue of our time...National Security. For me, this issue ALWAYS trumped all other issues, but in the post 9/11 World, it is even more important than ever. So I’ll compromise a little on Social/Economic issues in order to prevent a catastrophic Democratic Presidency in the arena of Foreign Policy. Think about how long we’ve been paying the price for the Foreign Policy blunders of our last 3 Democratic President??? Between LBJ, Clinton and that monumental vermin Carter, we have been “running against the wind” all over the globe in terms of National Security.

And even though you are right that people like Rudy, Romney and McCain represent a significant compromise on a number of issues, it is grossly unfair to lump them in the same category as the Leftist Democrats.

And as for the Supreme Court issue, it is much, much more critical than you stated. The next President will likely appoint 3 or even 4 justices...

1. John Paul Stevens (Liberal)—is nearing 90 and will retire or die soon.

2. Ruth Bader Ginsburg (Liberal)—is about 75 and NOT in good health.

3. Anthony Kennedy (Moderate to Conservative)—is nearing 75 and has hinted at retirement.

4. Stephen Breyer (Liberal)—is in is early 70’s and has discussed retirement.

5. Antonin Scalia (Conservative)—is in his early 70’s.

I noted that you two were decrying the reality that some folks are very fed up with our nation moving continually left, and that they are determined to stop supporting the candidacy of anyone who professes an intent to advance leftist ideals. While I understand where both of you are coming from, I am at a loss to understand what you offer as a solution. In effect you offer us the status down hill quo. That's no offer. That's a surrender.

Dear friend, we have had Independent Liberals and Democrats crossing over in our primaries making folks like McCain get wins in some states. That is why we have some nonconservatives getting offered up as our choice for Republican at times. The mostly liberal states allow this cross over stuff to purposely damage the eventual Republican nominee and until there is a day again where only registered Republicans will be allowed to vote in Republican primaries, that won't change.

I get your frustration, but that makes these times to be more active and alert as to not vote in ways that empower the Democrats.

You might be looking at some of the Republicans and saying "Oh my God, look at what we have here, not as conservative on all the issues as I like and near Democrat levels in some areas as well".
I AGREE it gets like that some times, we take steps back and forth from conservatism in all elections. The thing is, if we throw up our hands in main elections, instead of at most a small step towards non-conservatism, you get a Democrat jump off the cliff to total socialism and baby killing.

What we have to do to correct this DoughtyOne is to right now again put the Republican in for President and all the Republicans in over Democrats in our other races.
Look at it this way DoughtyOne, the elected Republicans will move the government far less left. Some will actually advance many areas way right.

Part two, we need to remove all the failing Republican incumbents running for Congress and the Senate in their primaries next time around and we have to back up and well finance their replacements with real conservatives. You blast enough incumbents out in primaries (making sure we don't give things to Democrats) and the remaining incumbents will start to get it before they themselves have to be removed.

So we have all the Republicans swearing to try and put in Strict Constructionist judges at a time when two liberal justices have to retire.
If you blow it and get Hillary in DoughtyOne in, then you are giving socialists the chance to load the court for decades of bad rulings. At least ALL OF THE REPUBLICANS have sworn while running that their judge choices will be far more Constitution leaning.

I know, I know, I can't stand not having a Fred kind of candidate in the lead right now. It isn't Republican voter's fault, it's the cross over votes in Republican primaries that has been allowed by LIBERAL courts to happen.

Politics is a process of steps forwards and backwards as we try and achieve a conservative goal for us. You really don't want to screw up judges the worst you can and throw us off the cliff to socialism as any message to Republicans. Republicans already know it, it is the cross over BS and some incumbents get scared and start to blend into the Washington culture. We have to remove in primaries the Senators and Congressman who have gone left when they are up for election.

Trust me on this DoughtyOne, it is far easier to come back for pricking your finger than cutting your own throat. That is why in tough times we vote for the less liberal candidate over the total lib socialist and don't throw the vote elsewhere. Every time we get frustrated and let things go an election, the Democrats get a football field move in their direction instead of maybe only a step.

Better we let a step go at most backwards instead of a block, so when we get the next conservative he can start from his 60 yard line towards the goal instead of his 10 yard line.
We get a conservative in and if they are forced to make up all the ground we lost for them getting a previous Democrat in, then they have less chance to advance our agenda upfield.

It's like a war, sometimes you retreat a bit to take a better position later and fight another day. If we give Democrats power, then we have to take it all back from the beach when we were already ten miles inland. I know it is frustrating, but you put in the most conservative electable candidate.

If even Lieberman was elected as the republican nominee, he'd get my vote over sitting out and Hillary because though both are disasters, at least Lieberman gets the war right! Lieberman puts us at our 20 yard line from the 60 which sucks, but Hillary might get us backwards for a touchdown.

It sucks my dear friend, but we have the responsibility to put in the least liberal choice between two choices as we have to (which is the Republican over the Democrat). Then we make changes against incumbents in primaries and vote happily for the electable conservatives as they come along (again they will be Republicans).

Again, the game is we make bad incumbent pay in their primaries by replacing them and we NEVER vote in ways which gets the most liberals in during the main elections (which would be Democrats). That is the whole patient strategy we must endure to succeed in the long run and it is exasperating.

Look at Radical Islam, they have strategies to conquer us all by overpopulating the world and they are willing to do this over hundreds of years. Slow, but could in the end work my friend.

Everything we want sometimes takes time, and though I hate using Islamic terrorists as examples, they are a good one.

Hope you get the reasoning behind why I say we don't sit out main elections or do things that gets Democrats elected. God Bless, I get the frustration BELIEVE ME I DO! LOL