Evangelicals Against Mitt

The American Spectator ^ | 1/3/2008 | Carrie Sheffield

[tantiboh]

Mitt Romney is facing an unexpected challenge in Iowa from rival Mike Huckabee, who has enjoyed a groundswell of support from religious voters, particularly evangelical Christians wary of the clean-cut former Massachusetts governor because of his Mormon religion.

The common worry among evangelicals is that if Romney were to capture the White House, his presidency would give legitimacy to a religion they believe is a cult. Since the LDS church places heavy emphasis on proselytizing -- there are 53,000 LDS missionaries worldwide -- many mainstream Christians are afraid that Mormon recruiting efforts would increase and that LDS membership rolls would swell.

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THE ONLY PROBLEM with those fears is that they don't add up. Evangelicals may be surprised to learn that the growth of church membership in Massachusetts slowed substantially during Romney's tenure as governor. In fact, one could make the absurdly simplistic argument that Romney was bad for Mormonism.

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ONE WAY TO GAUGE what might happen under a President Romney would be to look at what happened during the period of the 2002 Olympic Winter Games. Held in Salt Lake City, they were dubbed the "Mormon Olympics."

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Despite all the increased attention, worldwide the Church grew only slightly, and in fact in the year leading up to the games the total number of congregations fell. Overall, from 2000 to 2004, there was a 10.9 percent increase in memberships and a 3.6 percent increase in congregations.

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The LDS church is likely to continue its current modest-but-impressive growth whether or not Romney wins the White House. Perhaps the only real worry for evangelicals is that, if elected, the former Massachusetts governor will demonstrate to Americans that Mormons don't have horns.

Carrie Sheffield, a member of the LDS Church, is a writer living in Washington, D.C.

[Elsie]

I was asked to be nice in my requests, so I am asking the question in all sincerity.

 

 

 

Number #7

 

How Mormon's deal with data presented to them by those they call ANTI's:

  1. How you interpret it is wrong...
  2. You are too ignorant to really understand it because you are not a member....
  3. You're not qualified to judge because you're no LONGER a member...
  4. You are just a bigot for bringing the whole ugly truth to light ...
  5. So’s yer Mama!
  6. Laugh it all off and post some silly image.  
  7. Jump down the rabbit hole; Alice!
  8. Bait & Switch
  9. The OTHER 'half' of the truth is what we are avoiding.
10. "I Know It When I See It"

 

[Elsie]

It’s useful to have those resources when it does little things like support a global missionary program...

Hello!

Mom & Dad & Unca Festus 'support' them mishies!

[MHGinTN]

Awww, is it frustrated ‘cause it can’t get any response to its tauntings. Poor thing ... live with it, Binks.

[Jo Nuvark]

[... It is getting to the point that when you see a tantiboh or Delphi User or Dan9698 or sevenbak or Grig or tracer or restornu post you can hear faint echos of Pilate spittling “What is truth” or even Satan hissing out “You shall not surely die, For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” ...]

Excellently framed arguments. However, they have neither ears nor eyes for the truth.

[Elsie]

I am not learned enough to know why the translators of the version you quote chose to interpret it as they did; but this sort of ambiguity is precisely why there is still such a dire need for modern prophets.

No; there's a need for folks to STUDY to show themselves approved!

It was not TRANSLATED there, but phonetically put into the English language - just like ALLAH is the SOUND of the ARABIC word for GOD.

[Elsie]

No problem, it doesn't, happy?

Yes.

Tell me; just HOW did Joe KNOW that these two were who he assumed they were?

[Elsie]

If a person has access to a Bible, then they are fully capable of developing that personal relationship.”~ Amen to that, Mamma.

But HOW?

If it's not TRANSLATED correctly?

[Elsie]

If a person has access to a Bible, then they are fully capable of developing that personal relationship.”~

Amen to that, Mamma.

Then WHY do you need all the other stuff that was being ignored anyway by your past founders and leaders?

[Elsie]

The above is STILL in force by the LDS Organization®!

[Elsie]

 

YOUR 'jesus' is speechless when the Father, in human form, speaks.

I have no idea what you are talking about,

 

Find 'jesus' speaking in here; anywhere....

 

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 
 

 

[Jo Nuvark]

No doubt you are saved Saundra, but
no thanks to your non-Christian cult
religion. Fortunately, you have come
to know Jesus as your Savior in spite
of Mormon heresy.

Good for you.

[Elsie]

That said, Jesus and god share a oneness that is so complete that they know each others very thoughts.

Do you REALLY like to be proved wrong all the time??

Matthew 24:36
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

[Elsie]

I’m not interested in attacking those denominations, and I think that they are all composed of good Christians. I’m just trying to understand your viewpoint.

You are SUPPOSED to say, "THEY ain't REAL Baptists" the same way we do about them heretics down in Colorado City!!

--MormonDude(These boys ain't white. Hell, they ain't even old timey!)

[Elsie]

Some of us NEVER learn!! ;^)

[Elsie]

We consider it a companion volume of scripture equal to the Bible.

 

 

 

Your Founder, Joseph Smith,  and later leaders didn't think so!!!

 

Hell; they didn't even give 'em LIP SERVICE!!!

 

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THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI

CHAPTER 2

 

  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.

 

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Or even HERE:

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 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

 

 

1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.

 

 

 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.

[Elsie]

You use an unispired text which is not equal to the Bible.

Not SO!!!

Why, just in reading it you see just how INSPIRED it was!!

--MormonDude(In between the plagarized BIBLE verses, that is.)

[Elsie]

Joyful break!

[DarthVader]

Doctrines are either spelled out or derived by facts on the Bible and not necessarily spelled out as such. The doctrine of the Trinity comes from Jesus, speaking of his Father, Himself as the son and the Holy Spirit who is the Comforter

[Elsie]

As soon as I posted a quote for his post which he claimed I lied about, he went bananas with all the invective.

Where?

[DarthVader]

Both receiving Christ and following the Bible and the Bible only. The heretical Book Of Mormon does not count.