Evangelicals Against Mitt

The American Spectator ^ | 1/3/2008 | Carrie Sheffield

[tantiboh]

Mitt Romney is facing an unexpected challenge in Iowa from rival Mike Huckabee, who has enjoyed a groundswell of support from religious voters, particularly evangelical Christians wary of the clean-cut former Massachusetts governor because of his Mormon religion.

The common worry among evangelicals is that if Romney were to capture the White House, his presidency would give legitimacy to a religion they believe is a cult. Since the LDS church places heavy emphasis on proselytizing -- there are 53,000 LDS missionaries worldwide -- many mainstream Christians are afraid that Mormon recruiting efforts would increase and that LDS membership rolls would swell.

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THE ONLY PROBLEM with those fears is that they don't add up. Evangelicals may be surprised to learn that the growth of church membership in Massachusetts slowed substantially during Romney's tenure as governor. In fact, one could make the absurdly simplistic argument that Romney was bad for Mormonism.

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ONE WAY TO GAUGE what might happen under a President Romney would be to look at what happened during the period of the 2002 Olympic Winter Games. Held in Salt Lake City, they were dubbed the "Mormon Olympics."

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Despite all the increased attention, worldwide the Church grew only slightly, and in fact in the year leading up to the games the total number of congregations fell. Overall, from 2000 to 2004, there was a 10.9 percent increase in memberships and a 3.6 percent increase in congregations.

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The LDS church is likely to continue its current modest-but-impressive growth whether or not Romney wins the White House. Perhaps the only real worry for evangelicals is that, if elected, the former Massachusetts governor will demonstrate to Americans that Mormons don't have horns.

Carrie Sheffield, a member of the LDS Church, is a writer living in Washington, D.C.

[Elsie]

If anyone tries to correct anyone else while they themselves are imperfect, it's a sin.

6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Huh?

YOUR superb exegesis skills continually make me look silly!

I will ALWAYS be 'imperfect', but I can spot the heresies in Mormonism easy enough!

[Elsie]

This is the absolute truth, you are a lousy debater.

We'll see....

[Elsie]

See Unsupported assertion, or Ipsedixitism: Specifically considered to be bad debate technique and unconvincing.

Oh!!

Kinda like THIS??

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http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”  

[Elsie]

Thanks for the ping and your equating me to Satan, but I’m not playing in your sandbox these days.

Try being labeled a Son_of_Perdition some time.

[Dan(9698)]

Try being labeled a Son_of_Perdition some time.

Even I can tell that isn't true.

You are a Daughter.

[Eva]

Actually, there was a rule that attacks on religion were not allowed on FreeRepublic, but it seems to have been suspended in regard to Mormonism.

Honestly, the attacks on the LDS religion make the evangelical contingent sound just as irrational as the accusations against Mormonism. What is the point? I don’t get the reasoning behind arguing religion of a political forum. This is precisely why I would never, ever vote for Huckabee.

[MHGinTN]

The post linked is instructive. Notice how the deceiver tries to post this "And you still think there is nothing in the Bible referring to the trinity prior to Tertullian?" which I asked which referred to the passage in 1John5:7 [For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one], and twist it to refer to another sentence which addressed the word origin of trinity rather than the creedal origin. This is typical Mormonism tactics, which are nothing but deceit trig to twist what is posted to mean something the deceiver's minion wants it to mean which is specious.

Because these people serve without recognizing a liar a murderer from the start, they will try any deceit to gain a foothold of doubt into which to pour the lies of their false peepstone divination prophet. The important thing to note is not becoming entangled in their constant repetitions of their deceit for in doing so you become ensnared to their deceptions as constantly having to refute their purposeful false assertions. They are admonished to take this approach with the very asking God if the book of mormon is not true ... and this apparently seeds a twist into their souls which can be used again and again when their spiritual leader wants to sow doubt on the Bible's efficacy and the Promises of God upheld across time and eternity.

Elsie has a cute visual for this tactic, the tarbaby which fproy2222 pretends to be insulted by. Grab a bowl of popcorn, the show is about to heat up because the demon cannot stand be exposed, even if it is in the methodology of his obedient but ignorant of demon presence minion.

[MHGinTN]

Brother, if God sees that we need a business executive to run this nation for a time and He picks Romney to do that, we had better take heed, especially if such leadership opens the doors to awakening our spiritual malaise on abortion and tolerance of degeneracy. One thing we will not have to worry about is Mitt Romney have a Monica Lewinsky moment! His family will also be a major impact on the nation in ways we can’t even imagine now. Let’s hope he learns what it means to be truly pro-life and truly a protector of the family values in America else he will pander to the liberal scum in House and Senate who push abortion slaughter and homosexual acceptance, and will never be a force to correct anything! Frankly, I’m gearing up for four years of reasoning with sane and god-fearing Mormons ... the crew of apologists at FR, with their condescension, insults, deceptions, and ridicule is giving me quite an education for what Evangelicals will be up against should Romney get elected. These are not going to be quiet tolerant times.

[sandude]

I do feel that some of the Mormon apologists need to be more contrite. I appreciate the efforts that they make in defending my faith but I wish that they would remember to always try to be Christ like in their conversations here at Free Republic. They need to always remember that even if they are butting heads with a seemingly immovable object that there are others reading over their shoulders who may be offended by smart alec remarks. I share your feelings that if Mitt is elected that he can help move the country away from the moral slide it’s been on for so many years. As the end days approach though the adversary of us all will do whatever he can to accelerate our decline. We all need to fight the good fight and one way we can do that is at the ballot box. We need good leaders at all levels of government. One day the Saviour of us all will return. Until then we must do all we can to stem the tide and to protect our children and grandchildren.

[Dan(9698)]

I take it that you are accusing me of misstating what you said in that post. That is the reason I copied all of it.

Anybody can go and read your original post and see that the bible passage you are quoting is not there.

I applied your explanation to the contents of your post. I can't read your mind to go off onto something that is not there.

In any event you did not furnish anything beyond your bald assertion that the passage you are now quoting refers to the doctrine of the Trinity.

I furnished a quote from an independent source, the Catholic Encyclopedia, which explaned what the Apostolic Christian Church taught regardin the three persons.

You were addressing Theophilus and Tertullian in that post, and not what was in the bible.

You castigate me for mentioning Tertullian and the Trinity. You stated that Theophilus was an earlier reference. Since we were discussing the Trinity Doctrine you believe, it is not a stretch to think you were talking about the doctrine of the Trinity when you stated that Theophilus wrote about it before Tertullian did and therefore "which pretty much shoots this strange Tertullian theory to pieces."

You called me a liar and disowned your earlier words.

I was merely copying your words so that all could see what you said.

It sounds like you are ranting because I addressed what you actually wrote, and not what you ment.

I think I read it properly, but if you ment something else, write that so I can have a fair reading of it instead of you expecting me to read your mind.

[Tennessee Nana]

The way these guys talk...hateful and nasty...

Makes you want to be like them eh ???

Someone said they were a mormon missionary for TWO years and got FOUR converts...

Did you know that Jehovah Witnesses get ONE convert for every 700 doors they knock on...aznd that’s just the doors where someone is home...They get unpleasant also...

If name calling, cajoling, threatening, insulting, intiminating, manipulating etc won people to Jesus He would have said so...

However Jesus said to “Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned” Mark 16:15, 16

Now Gospel means “Good News”

I would think that loving friendly words with a smile would be required to proclaim the love of God and the story of His saving power through the blood, death and resurrection of God become flesh, the Word, Jesus Christ...

I know the very thopught of being saved and worshipping the Lamb of God, Jesus, for eternity before the throne of God, the Father, thrills me and fills me full of JOY ...

Why on earth would I want less or nothing or team up with sour pusses???

:)

[Dan(9698)]

I do feel that some of the Mormon apologists need to be more contrite. I appreciate the efforts that they make in defending my faith but I wish that they would remember to always try to be Christ like in their conversations here at Free Republic.

Ok, How about you do some research on the source of the Doctrine of the Trinity as believed by the "Christain Churches".

They call us all kinds of names because we do not use what they call "Trinity"

If we would only accept their doctrine, they would be nice to us. You can explain it to all of us.

If they would stop with the bashing whenever the Church was mentioned, we would stop responding. If nobody ever responds, the bashing keeps getting wilder.

Just look at the wild acusations in the last few posts to me.

[DelphiUser]

U Said: You talk a good game by using the same language Christian’s use. You’ve got it down real good I’ll give you that.

Why thank you. It helps that I am indeed a Christian...

U Said: I’ve never seen a Mormon speak Christianeese like you do.

Stop, I'm blushing... U Said: You say all of the right words but if you believe the BOM to be truth it makes not one wit of difference how well you speak Christianeese.

I agree, it's not how you say what you say, but it's what you are saying that matters. That is why the LDS can send out 19 year old lambs and yet the church grows anyway. when the lambs come back, they are wiser for the experience and stronger of faith too.

U Said: It’s an oxymoron to say you believe in Jesus (in the biblical sense) and at the same time believe the BOM and doctrines of LDS.

So you think that believing the Book of Mormon (another testament of Jesus Christ) precludes believing in Jesus Christ as told in the Bible, even though the Book of Mormon specifically backs up the Bible?

You have an unusual definition of oxymoron.

Anyone who believes the Book of Mormon, must believe the Bible because the Book of Mormon testifies of it. Anyone who believes the Book of Mormon, must believe in the Jesus of the Bible for the Book of Mormon testifies of Him. If the Bible isn't true then the Book of Mormon is useless too.

I honestly believe Both to be Gods word. I honestly have recounted my experience with Praying about the Book of Mormon here on FR. I received a witness of it and of Jesus at the same time, indeed I believe that it is impossible to receive a witness of the Book of Mormon and not alone a witness of Christ for The Book of Mormon testifies of him.

If you cannot see that then you do not know enough about the Book of Mormon to have an opinion, you need to learn more before debating this.

U Said: As much as you may like to believe that you can be a Christian and a Mormon at the same time, I’m afraid you have no biblical basis to back that up.

You Cannot "be a Mormon" and not "be a Christian".

U Said: You would have to refute a lot of your own Mormon beliefs to say that you are a Christian. The two are simply not compatible.

There is nothing of Christianity in the Bible that conflicts with Mormonism, there are a lot of Creeds that conflict with the Bible and Mormonism.

U Said: Now, if you are a MINO (Mormon in Name Only), and your purpose for being in the Mormon church is to lead Mormons into the truth of God’s Word, then I can understand why you would want to remain a Mormon. Somehow, I don’t think that’s the case with you though.

You are correct, I am leading people to Christ by leading them to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (nicknamed Mormons) who you say don't believe in Jesus.

Let me make this simple, Buddhists believe in Buddha, all the different sects of Buddhism share this, all the sects admit the others are Buddhist, they just think them misguided.

Buddhism is defined by a belief in Buddha.

Taoist believe in their ancestors, everybody has different ancestors, but they all admit that others who worship their ancestors are Taoist. Taoism is defined by a belief in your ancestors.

Christians Believe in Jesus Christ, some sects claim that others who use the same book of scriptures believe in a different God than they do and say that these others are not "Christian". This is an illogical position, for they deny the obvious fact that they are worshiping the same historical person, Jesus Christ. because of a doctrinal, or creed difference, they insist that the logical and factual title be removed in favor of some special title which defies the logical and orderly structure that governs the naming of Churches and Faiths.

The factual and logical way to say what I believe is failing to be said here is that Mormons are Christians, just not ORthodox ones. That definition is one that will not ever be disputed by Mormons.

Can you explain to me from a logical standpoint why When it is obvious I believe in Jesus that I should not be called a Christian? (don't go into doctrine, logic)

U Said: As much as you would like to believe that you are preaching the same gospel as Christians are, and as sincere as you may be at doing it, I’m afraid you are sincerely wrong in your beliefs. There is a great danger in what you are doing because the consequences are quite serious.

If you mean that I am not teaching what "Orthodox Christians" teach, then you are absolutely correct. I have never intended to present myself as an orthodox Christian, and if I have done so, I apologize for that was not my intent. I am as unorthodox as well Jesus was in his day.

Galatians 1:7-10

7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

I am not trying to pervert the Gospel, I believe that has already happened, I am teaching of the restoration that was foretold in Paul's day that the Gospel would undergo after it had been corrupted.

U Said: These scriptures make it pretty clear that preaching any other gospel other than that of the Bible can lead to serious consequences—for eternity.

I am not teaching any other Gospel than the one that was taught by the Disciples. I hope you understand that the "Bile" as currently constituted was collected and compiled later ad therefore, cannot logically be the object of which Paul is speaking (unless we want to get into if he was speaking prophetically, but that is another topic) so when he said "any other gospel unto you than that ye have received" he was speaking of both more and less than the Bible, he was speaking of what was being taught some of which had not been taught yet, and some of which never made it into the Bible. In order to accurately tech the Gospel, you must admit the reality of history and the actual context of the scriptures, no some smoothed over Sunday school version for people who only want to have to attend on easter and Christmas.

U Said: It’s not surprising that so many people are deceived today, especially those in the Mormon religion. As this scripture below points out, it isn’t surprising that God’s servants masquerade as servants of light, because Satan, the great deceiver himself, masquerades as an angel of light.

I think you got one to many God;'s in there, and one too few Satan's, but I get your point.

I do not deny that there are Mormons who are deceived, nor do I deny that there are many Mormons who do not know our doctrines. The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a sanctuary for saints. However, the actual doctrine of the church is not deception, it is of Jesus Christ. The actual teachings of Jesus and the apostles are not contained in most churches. they have simplified, and codified the truth right out of the gospel, it makes me sad that many who are doing their level best have been deceived into believing that because the majority in Christianity votes one way that that makes it right. Jesus will tell us what is right and that is what is right, our votes don't matter, and that is all orthodoxy is. Orthodoxy is a defense against change, and the Gospel is all about change, real personal change, a turning way from sin and turning toward righteousness.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15

14. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
15. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

U Said: Again, we see that the end results for believing this lie leads to serious consequences, “their end will be what their actions deserve”.

Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that Satan can answer a prayer that God has promised to answer in God's stead. Indeed Satan can appear and tempt people indeed he can pretend to be many things, but I don't believe that Satan can answer a prayer to God, and have been unable to find any such scripture, Instead I have found many scriptures that testify that God will answer prayers. Thus I reject your assertion that My answer, was form a Devil, and rebuke you for suggesting that Satan is more powerful than God and can answer prayers to God.

U Said: Speaking of being deceived by an angel of light, I believe this account from JS himself clearly shows just how deceived he was.

You actually believe that Joseph prayed to God and Satan answered? You are in the Gall of bitterness for if Satan answers prayers to God, he is God, and he is not my God, but yours for I do not believe he can answer a prayer to God.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19

17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

This is a seminal moment in history, God the father and Jesus Christ answering a Prayer of faith, proving that the heavens are not sealed, proving that God an Christ are exactly as the bible describes them, opening a new dispensation of truth on the earth, calling a new prophet as they did of old.

U Said: I would think that someone who loves God as much as you seemingly do would want to know, without a shadow of doubt, that you were not being deceived by a false religion that masquerades itself as an angel of light.

Thank you, for I do truly love God with all my heart and soul. I have read the Bible cover to cover many times, I lost track after my eighth time through and am no longer sure how many times I have read it. I have also prayed about the Bible exclusively, and know it to be the word of God.

What you don't seem to understand is that I have also read the Book of Mormon, and prayed exclusively about the Book of Mormon, and that same spirit that testified to me of the Bible testifies to me of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. I know that you think it is contradictory, but it's not, When you allow God to guide you, they both synch up like gears designed to turn together and apply more spiritual power to your life an on gear can alone. I know this with a surety that makes the world pale in comparison, the Book of Mormon is more sure to me than the sun rising in the east, for that is merely experience, the Book of Mormon was testified of by God and in a way the meets with the test given in First John 4:2 thus, the Bible tells me my message was from God.

You have said that this was a message from Satan, I tell you of a truth that it is not.

U Said: If you would spend two or three months reading and studying ONLY the Bible, and praying and asking God to reveal His truth to you, I have no doubt that He would do exactly that.

I have studied the Bible for a year, exclusively, and I love it, all the words of God are precious to me.

U Said: The question is, do you really want Him to reveal the truth to you knowing where it might lead? If you do, I challenge you to do this and see where it leads you.

I am willing to go wherever the Lord sees fit to lead me. I will reread the Bible on one condition, you read the Book of Mormon. I cannot go "Exclusive" as I am already involved in a challenge to read the Book of Mormon twice this year. But I will read the Bible with it, if you will read the Book of Mormon with your Bible, and pray about both.

U Said: By the way, it is interesting how the Mormons have tried to convince non-Mormons that they are the same as Christians.

Mormons are all Christians, Baptists are all Christians, Catholics are all Christians however, not not all Christians are baptists, and no all Christians are Methodists, and not all Christians are Mormon.

U Said: That hasn’t always been the case. As we can see from the above account from JS, he wrote that all religions other than the Mormon church were wrong.

The Catholics also say they are the only true church. I know of no church that teaches that they are "wrong". So this is a non starter or a sky is blue argument.

U Said: Mormons have always taught that their church was the only true church.

We are the only true church, we are also Christians, so?

U Said: The prophets of the Mormon church have repeated this again and again since LDS was founded. Why would the Mormons, after years of teaching one thing, now want to make themselves appear as they are no different than mainline evangelical churches?

No one said we were no different, just that we are Christians.

U Said: Many of the Mormon beliefs and doctrines have changed over the years since the church began.

This is true, it is one of the hallmarks of continuing revelation, the church can respond to modern problems, and questions alone answers. This is much the way the Bible was compiled.

U Said: Talk about the ultimate “makeover program”. The Mormons were into this makeover stuff before their was ever a makeover program on TV.

UM, makeovers implies a temporary, or even deceptive thing, the church doesn't do that.

U Said: Perfect example of how Satan operates and how he continue to deceive people into believing lies instead of truth.

Satan will use whatever works, he is even willing to tell truths to get people to believe lies. but one thing he can never do is answer a prayer to God.

U Said: Again, I encourage you to get your Bible out and study it without any other books or reading materials. Pray that God reveal His truth to you and allow the Holy Spirit to speak to your heart with an open mind. If you did this with all sincerity and honesty,

> I have already done this, and will again as part of my regular study, I will accelerate my Bible study if you will study the Book of Mormon. I promise you that if you read it with real intent, and ask God if it is true, he will testify to you of it's truthfulness, and you will also alone an enhanced testimony of Jesus Christ, if that is your desire. Are you willing to accept more of God's word where ever it may lead? you challenged me, i similarly challenge you, for I have been reading the bible for decades, I know it like the back of my hand It holds no shocking revelation that i am wrong, but you will learn truths you currently on guess at and they will become delicious to you as they have to me.

U Said: I believe that you will be able to discern what is truth and what is false.

I have prayed diligently to know exactly that. I hope you will learn as I have from God and not from the artifice of man.

[DelphiUser]

You don’t follow God my friend and may God have mercy on you for having spread a false gospel of the Latter Day Saints and leading others astray.

If I am led astray then it is God who is the doer of it, for I have followed his word exclusively in discerning between truth and error.

I am not condemning you to hell but sharing with you the consequences of you following your cult with its damnable heresies.

I hate to be the one to inform you of this, but the "damnable heresy" I have been preaching here used to be the mainstream of Christianity, before the falling away happened.

You are following religious demons as do Hindus, Muslims and others. You don’t have to feel sorry for me as my salvation rests in the one and true living God.

Whom you do not know, and that is sad.

I feel sorry for you and pray for your release from the grip of the Devil.

As I have been praying for you since yesterday.

My brother in Christ, dmw has answered this question about Satan well enough in post#681

I have just responded to his post, you would do well to take his tone and research as an example of how to post here.

I hope you have a great day and My God grant you the wisdom to open your heart to his inspiration, Amen.

[DelphiUser]

Read post #682 again. Mormonsim is a cult and heresy plain and simple.

That is obviously your opinion, the facts of the matter however are entirely different in nature.

There is no amount of apologetics or reasoning that you can do that will tell the true Christian world otherwise.

I do not hope to sway the "True Christian world" whatever that is, but I do hope to open the eyes and hearts of those willing to allow God to tell them his truths, and not some Guy on an internet forum.

You cannot embrace both the Book Of Mormon and the Bible.

Ah, but I do, for the mesh no clash. you'd have to read them to understand.

You will have to choose one or the other because they are in conflict with each other.

Two sides of the same coin are opposites to some...

You lack perspective.

[rodeo-mamma]

Any person who tries to stop Mitt from becoming President because he is a Mormon is a hypocrite. Being a Christian is about a Personal Relationship with Christ. If a person has access to a Bible, then they are fully capable of developing that personal relationship.

[DarthVader]

It is not an opinion but a fact. You are lost.

[DelphiUser]

I’m not a Mormon, but I am shocked that this type of attack on religion is being allowed on FreeRepublic. They wouldn’t allow us to say this type of thing about the Religion of Peace, but they allow serial attacks on Mormonism. It’s embarrassing to think that I am a part of this forum.

Don't be embarrassed, I could report them to the mods for the name calling and Etc. and they might even be banned (it's happened before) but then they would learn nothing. As it is, we have a dialog.

They insult me and my religion because I let them, not because the forum is flawed, and not because the Mods would not defend us if we asked.

Some times as Jesus showed, you have to be willing to take a few strokes of the lash to get your message across. While I am a poor representative of him, I do my best.

[DarthVader]

I am having a totally fabulous day and am very blessed. Continue to live in the ignorant bliss of your cult. I and several others will be praying for your deliverance from the great deception that you are in. Mormon heresy will never be accepted. Get used to it.

[DelphiUser]

Blah!! Blah!! Talk about whose being sophomoric.

I believe I did...

Your having a tantrum because you can’t handle the truth of the Word of God which is searing your conscience and bringing you under massive conviction.

First, it's "you're" not "Your" in "You're having a tantrum..."

Second, Tantrum? LOL!

Third, I am sure I will feel full punishment for all my unrepented sins which are many, but you are not the administrator of that punishment, and it will be none of your business. besides you will be busy at the time, I suspect we all will be.

Hebrews 4:12

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

And this is relevant why?

Reread Post#681 and learn. Heretics like yourself cannot be apologetics.

apologetics, so I can't be what I am?