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Why US Muslims live in peace
Jerusalem Post ^ | 1-8-08 | AMNON RUBINSTEIN

Posted on 01/08/2008 5:55:09 AM PST by SJackson

Wherever you have a Muslim community, you'll find trouble, you'll find friction, you'll find national-religious demands, and you'll find terror. Isn't that so? No, it isn't, at least not where the Muslim community in the United States is concerned.

At a time when European countries are debating among themselves about how to deal with the burgeoning extremism among their Muslim immigrant communities and how to contend with the dangers to their national security and culture from those who demand official recognition of their separate culture, there is no sign of similar unrest in the US. Close to a million Muslims live in America in peace.

Whereas in Europe acts of terror are initiated by local Muslims, the perpetrators of the terror attack on the World Trade Center were not aided by a single Muslim-American collaborator.

Strident demands to institute Shari'a law for Muslims are being heard in Europe, and even in Canada - but not in America, where no one has demanded that Arabic be recognized as an official language. Moreover, Muslim-American notables accentuate their loyalty to the US, and, unlike their European counterparts, publicly condemn Islamist terror and declare that they are proud of their loyalty to their new homeland.

A PUBLIC-OPINION survey conducted by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) in 2006 to gauge the views of Muslim voters showed that 84 percent said Muslims should strongly emphasize shared values with Christians and Jews; 77% said Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews; 89% said they vote regularly; 86% said they celebrate the Fourth of July and 64% said they fly the stars and stripes. Nothing similar can be found in European surveys.

What is the explanation of this dramatic contrast? True, the Muslim minority in the United States represents a much smaller proportion of the population than in Europe, but that alone cannot explain the distinct dissimilarity.

THERE ARE five fundamental differences between Europe and the United States.

First, the US has been a land of immigration from its inception and has a great deal of experience in absorbing immigrants from other cultures, while in Europe, the phenomenon of immigration is relatively new. The US is also more selective than Europe in choosing which immigrants they allow into their country.

Second, the US maintains maximum, if not absolute, separation between religion and state, making religion an individual matter. That means there is no room for Muslim-religious demands. In Europe, even in those states that do not have an official religion, religion is still very influential - perhaps with the exception of France - in the areas of education and public life.

Third, the United States has a tradition of individualism: It is the individual that stands alone facing government; the individual pledges his allegiance to the flag and the constitution when he becomes a citizen; the individual can conduct a dialogue with the government on his own and has no need for an intermediary, such as the Muslim Councils established in Britain and France.

FOURTH, the immigrant to the United States knows that his economic fate is up to him and his own efforts: He knows that he is immigrating to a country where he has the chance of becoming rich, of becoming a celebrity. The immigrant to Europe is motivated, among other reasons, by the opportunity to become eligible for national welfare. However, when the welfare payments are provided, the immigrants discover that they are not sufficient to actually put them on a par with the veteran population.

Fifth, multiculturalism is recognized in both cultures, but in the United States, the concept is limited to certain specific areas: tolerance, recognition of other cultures and of the need to have affirmative action and diversity in education and employment. In Europe - and especially a short time ago in Britain, Holland and Scandinavia - multiculturalism has been translated into group cultural rights, which isolate the immigrants from the majority population.

Because of all these things, scholars and political leaders in Europe are now turning their gaze to America to learn from it about how to absorb Muslim immigrants.

IN ISRAEL, the situation is of course quite different, largely because of the conflict and the extremist anti-Israeli stance taken by the Israeli-Arab leadership. But the American example is significant: The most important question of all, for us too, is whether there is any chance that the Arab world will ever make its peace with modern democratic values, which place the emphasis on individual freedoms, thought and expression, redirecting religious injunctions to the private domain.

The democratic world stands on two principal pillars: the Jewish pillar - that all humans are created in God's image - and the Greek pillar, which encourages criticism of accepted thought.

So far, not a single Arab society has accepted these two foundations. On the contrary, Arab societies are increasingly moving in the direction of oppressive extremism and suppression of all independent thought and freedom.

In his books, Albert Camus, a North-African Jew who fought against French colonialism, expressed his abhorrence of the anti-modern trend of the Arab-Muslim world, but in an interview with L'Express he said, "The Arabs will have no choice but to accept the values of the West." Were he alive today, he could point to the Arab and Muslim community in the United States as a case in point, proving that under proper governmental conditions, the Arab-Muslim individual differs not at all in his aspirations for modern democracy and freedoms from his Western counterparts.

In this area, Israel can learn two things from America: the need for all immigrants and those receiving citizenship to take an individual oath of allegiance, and the importance of making the economic changes necessary to enable every Israeli Arab to advance economically, without being suffocated by red tape.

The writer is a professor of law at the Interdisciplinary Center (IDC) Herzliya, a former minister of education and MK, and the recipient of the 2006 Israel Prize in Law.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: islam; israel; justwaitawhile; muslims; notyetcriticalmass; rop; theyaregettingready; trop
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To: Hegemony Cricket

I knew I should read the posts before I listed the answer - good job.


21 posted on 01/08/2008 6:12:41 AM PST by mcshot (Missing my grade school desk which protected from nuclear blasts.)
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To: SJackson
“The US is also more selective than Europe in choosing which immigrants they allow into their country.”

This is utter BS. With our frontier (North, South, East, and West) nothing but unending stretches of unmanned, unguarded and unchecked terrain, with immigration enforcement all but nil or corrupted in its service to partisan political agendas... how can this author make such a statement? Evidently the author is not aware of the current Presidential campaigning in the US wherein candidates may call themselves OUT of the running by demonstrating weakness on the general public demand for more and stronger immigration control.

22 posted on 01/08/2008 6:13:27 AM PST by SMARTY (Public opinion has the power of the lie/creating it is the work of radical politicians in a democra)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

It means that it isn’t immediate fear of being shot that motivates them to leave peacefully.


23 posted on 01/08/2008 6:13:37 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: metmom
Live in peace?

They're just waiting.

24 posted on 01/08/2008 6:14:32 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Biggirl

US islamists may stay quiet it doesn’t mean they are doing nothing...and are not waiting for a good signal.
It could be OUSS’BAMA


25 posted on 01/08/2008 6:16:51 AM PST by Ulysse (fides quaerans intellectum)
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To: SJackson
Follow the money, eh? " The immigrant to Europe is motivated, among other reasons, by the opportunity to become eligible for national welfare."

As in The Right Stuff, when a von Braun-ish character asserted "Our Germans are better than their Germans," I also wonder if "our Muslims" are more economically active, industrious, and self-sufficient than "their Muslims".
26 posted on 01/08/2008 6:17:34 AM PST by flowerplough (Thompson should be the next president and Reagan should be the next face on Mt. Rushmore)
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To: SJackson

Yeah, and if most Americans have their way we’re about to show the Euros another trick - namely how to significantly reduce an immigrant population. Europe has GOT to send many of these people back to their place of birth. It won’t be pretty.


27 posted on 01/08/2008 6:18:33 AM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Friend_from_the_Frozen_North

Ping for later...


28 posted on 01/08/2008 6:18:47 AM PST by Friend_from_the_Frozen_North (If you are, as Rush would say, "A Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance" don't waste my time...)
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To: Slapshot68; Always Right

What I noticed here in Canada is that most of the extremists are the children of muslim immigrants who were either born here or were brought over at a very young age. The parents who actually had to live under islamic law generally want nothing to do with it while the kids romanticize jihad because they’ve never seen it firsthand.


29 posted on 01/08/2008 6:18:53 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Ulysse

They also know what could be waiting in response to them also, from the non-Muslims here, so they still keep a low profile.


30 posted on 01/08/2008 6:19:28 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: blam

Or any other group or individual who gets out of hand.


31 posted on 01/08/2008 6:20:20 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Teacher317
Marseilles - 25 percent (200,000 of 800,000)
Malmö - ~25 percent (67,000 of 270,000)
Amsterdam - 24 percent (180,000 of 750,000)
Stockholm - 20 percent (>155,000 of 771,038)
Brussels - ~20 percent (some say 33 percent)
Moscow - 16 percent-20 percent (2 million of 10-12 milllion)
London - 17 percent (1.3 million of 7.5 million)
Luton - 14.6 percent (26,963)
Birmingham 14.3 percent (139,771)
The Hague - 14.2 percent ( 67,896 of 475,580)
Utrecht - 13.2 percent (38,300 of 289,000)
Rotterdam - 13 percent (80,000 of 600,000)
Detroit - 12 percent (107,000 of 875,000)
Copenhagen - 12.6 percent (63,000 of 500,000)
Leicester - 11 percent (>30,000 of 280,000)
Aarhus - ~10 percent
Zaan district (Netherlands) - 8.8 percent
Paris - 7.38 percent (155,000 of 2.1 million)
Antwerp- 6.7 percent (>30,000 of >450,000)
Hamburg - 6.4 percent (>110,000 of 1.73 million)
Berlin - 5.9 percent (~200,000 of 3.40 million)
32 posted on 01/08/2008 6:20:44 AM PST by Teacher317 (Eta kuram na smekh)
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To: Ulysse

...Or an election of Barack Obama?


33 posted on 01/08/2008 6:20:50 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: flowerplough

A) Higher percentage of educated class.

B) Economic opportunity that doesn’t exist in Europe

C) Work-or-perish environment unlike the European model of work-or-go-on-the-dole.

D) Existing Arabic infratructure that dates back a hundred years.

E)Forced interaction — rather than isolation — from larger American community.


34 posted on 01/08/2008 6:21:21 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: SJackson

I haven’t read all comments but does anybody remember 911 and the numerous thwarted attempts to murder other innocent civilians? ie — blowing up Kennedy airport, and a dozen other busts around the country? These murderers don’t get their funding and support from the Christian community.


35 posted on 01/08/2008 6:24:43 AM PST by Neoliberalnot
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To: SJackson

Most of what Mr. Rubinstein scribbled is crap.

Muslims are peaceful in the USA because they’re outnumbered 300 to 1, by folks who have, or who can get, guns, and who have a tradition of shooting back.

Wait until they become 10% or more of the population and see what happens.


36 posted on 01/08/2008 6:25:44 AM PST by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: blam

A view and perspective from New York: where my mother-in-law lives there is a heavy muslim presence. They are in all peaceful, stick to themselves and do not cause trouble. The only disturbing note I noted was: while all the children were playing outside in the development where my mother-in-law lives, the muslim one -*(nine and older but young, head covered by a hijab)* was looking wistfully at the children playing. The only thing I gathered from that was: she wanted to play outside, but that would never happen. Matter of fact, I do not think I ever seen the wife or child interact outside or with anyone in the development. The second observation: I was in a nail salon one day and struck a conversation with a south asian young woman, under twenty-five, by speaking voice - seemingly americanized but then we got into discussing marriage and relationships: I told her how I met and I chose my husband and I asked her situation: she said hers was arranged and that she never met or spoke to her fiance. I was quite taken back, thinking she was quite americanized but at the same time thinking: how could you just say yes, not put up a fight? Keeping my composure, thinking - if this segment of the muslim population finds Western-American values not acceptable, why come here?/Just Asking - seoul62..........


37 posted on 01/08/2008 6:25:56 AM PST by seoul62
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To: TigersEye; yorkie

ping


38 posted on 01/08/2008 6:27:08 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: seoul62

It takes three generations to become Americanized.


39 posted on 01/08/2008 6:27:54 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: SJackson

I think Camus finished his days in Paris, so much for liberation then.


40 posted on 01/08/2008 6:29:55 AM PST by junta (It's Poltical Correctness stupid! Hold liberals accountable for their actions, a new idea.)
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