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Citigroup May Begin Layoffs This Week
WSJ ^ | 1/6/08 | WSJ

Posted on 01/06/2008 11:27:03 AM PST by jimbo123

Bank Layoffs: In a continuing effort to shore up its finances, Citigroup could cut 5% to 10% of its 320,000 employees starting this week.

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1 posted on 01/06/2008 11:27:06 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
My "very interesting next two or three quarters" for Citibank is playing out. Those tens of billions of bad SIVs they forced themselves to 'fess up to are proving pretty hard to deal with.

Oh BTW they've also limit ATM withdrawals in NYC due to *cough* "isolated fraudulent activity".

There's still plenty of time to enter new short positions in Citibank IMO. Thirty to ten or less in a couple of months would be a fine payday. Wait until the next Fed "surprise" though.

2 posted on 01/06/2008 11:58:38 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jimbo123

Wanna bet the billion or so in bonus checks they wrote themselves this year are gonna clear first though.


3 posted on 01/06/2008 1:25:17 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: nkycincinnatikid

You got that right


4 posted on 01/06/2008 1:29:31 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: nkycincinnatikid
The venom directed at capitalists on this site lately, on this sort of subject, belongs at DU.
5 posted on 01/06/2008 1:32:20 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC

That was your idea of anti capitalist venom? If the theives keep this crap up they will bury the rest of us capitalists with them.


6 posted on 01/06/2008 1:37:47 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: JasonC

Bank executives, like anyone else, need to be held accountable if they enrich themselves through fraudulent activity.


7 posted on 01/06/2008 1:41:52 PM PST by ROP_RIP
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To: nkycincinnatikid
They are not thieves.

Banking it not thievery.

Even bad banking it not thievery.

Citicorp shareholders have lost $100 billion as a consequence of their bad credit decisions, over the last six months.

The CEO has been fired.

Thousands of people are losing their jobs.

And you are chortling with glee over it and calling them criminals. It is insane venom directed at honest men who made mistakes and are paying serious consequences for them.

And it is beneath mere humanity, let alone conservatism.

8 posted on 01/06/2008 1:52:21 PM PST by JasonC
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To: ROP_RIP
There is no fraudulent activity involved.

The CEO lost his job, the shareholders lost $100 billion, and now thousands of bankers are going to lose their jobs as well.

You are getting all the "accountability" anybody could wish for. Perhaps rather a bit more.

And you are like, "yeah, go baby, pour it on, make 'em suffer, the bastards". It is obscene.

9 posted on 01/06/2008 1:54:12 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC
The venom directed at capitalists on this site lately, on this sort of subject, belongs at DU.

No way to say this politely, so...

Bullshit.

I don't have time to go into the details, but the banks did this to themselves, in five or six different ways.

A good site to start with would be www.minyanville.com.

Full Disclosure: The models used to define the tranches of risk were explicitly derived based upon the assumption of monotonically increasing property values and stable interest rates.

Cheers!

10 posted on 01/06/2008 1:56:24 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: JasonC

I still have enough C in my portfolio to refrain from chortling. And I am sorry if they let your secretary go.


11 posted on 01/06/2008 1:59:15 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: JasonC
It is insane venom directed at honest men who made mistakes and are paying serious consequences for them.

LOL!

12 posted on 01/06/2008 2:01:51 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureā„¢)
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To: grey_whiskers
I know all about what is happening and why, and also that it is a hardy perennial that accompanies all monetary expansions, asset bubbles, and new financial innovations.

And the banks definitely made mistakes and are paying a price for it - but that is absolutely no reason for any decent human being, let alone any pro capitalism conservative, to be happy about any of it.

We want them to succeed. When instead they fail, it makes all of us a little less well off than we might have been. It benefits us in no way whatever. This is simply an understandable tragedy, like a car wreck. If I came up to your car wreck rubbing my hands with glee and chortling "it serves you right, you were driving too fast for the road conditions you bastard, hope you are paralyzed for life!", would this be excusable if less than perfect driving on your part was partially responsible?

This is pure class envy spite and worth of John Edwards. It does not belong on FR.

13 posted on 01/06/2008 2:02:20 PM PST by JasonC
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To: nkycincinnatikid
I work in the software industry. But I actually like capitalism and think businessmen built the country and make it run - unlike some of the commies around here.
14 posted on 01/06/2008 2:03:36 PM PST by JasonC
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To: steve86
Sure, that's a rational argument. Let's see who can shout louder and do whatever they say. Methink John Edwards will win that one, with a bullhorn and a pack of goons.
15 posted on 01/06/2008 2:04:40 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC

Exactly! Thank you


16 posted on 01/06/2008 2:05:08 PM PST by NYC Republican
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To: JasonC

The current rapidly deteriorating state of affairs is exactly what unfettered capitalism gets you — relish it.


17 posted on 01/06/2008 2:10:50 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureā„¢)
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To: jimbo123

Somebody on a financial report Friday morning said most job losses, layoffs they say, are in the financial sector.


18 posted on 01/06/2008 2:13:26 PM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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To: steve86
Unfettered capitalism is responsible for all the wealth and prosperity the world has ever known, and *fetters* are responsible for half of its misery. And I do relish living in America, the greatest and wealthiest country in human history, precisely because it has been and is about the most capitalist and the most free. And I will continue relishing living here tomorrow, and the next day, whatever happens in business, or politics.

But it sounds like you are having a nasty time of it, life-wise. Maybe it isn't working out and you should try something else. Just don't screw up my country or its institutions, please. The door is open.

19 posted on 01/06/2008 2:15:16 PM PST by JasonC
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Yes and no. It was not a mistake, it was a deliberate effort to mislead--themselves; their borrowers; and the entities who purchased the CDO's and the like.

It is not that I want the banks to fail for revenge; it is that the failure of the banks will be the best market-oriented solution, and will discourage similar speculation for another dozen years or so (How long ago did that hedge fund started by the Nobel laureate economists go under?)

The problems are NOT that of the hapless homeowners, but the worldwide liquidity crisis spawned by banks not lending to one another and each bank being afraid to be the first to "mark to market" instead of "mark to model" -- thereby making it all the more likely that the stampede will be devastating when it comes. That, and the risks involved in the tens or hundreds of trillion dollars in derivatives based upon gaming the movement in securities prices.

And the CEO's who masterminded this, and who have received tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in severance -- one of them fired an underling who suggested their company was to exposed to the derivatives -- should be (to paraphrase humorist Dave Barry) : "hanged, shot, drawn and quartered, disemboweled, burned at the stake and then really hurt."

Cheers!

20 posted on 01/06/2008 2:19:27 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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