Mitt's Divided Strategy (Thompson Rumors Traced to Romney)

Townhall ^ | 5-Jan-08 | Robert Novak

[fproy2222]

The unregenerate mind cannot comprehend that God set in motion a spacetime realm with which He is involved yet has chosen the realm to function in such a way that He doesn’t reveal so much of Himself that it compels belief. Such a revelation would be counter to the Gospel of God’s Grace in Christ Jesus aimed for our spirit rather than our bodies.
God can create a new universe with different constants and variability whenever He chooses and has left word that He is going to do just that once the expression of the spirit dimensionality has expressed sufficiently for His purposes. He has even left for us hints that a realm exists no more than an arm’s length away which is real yet unfathomable unless God reach from there to our here.

It is not surprising that the Mormonism apologist demands Christians prove there is God; the unregenerate cult mind lacks the eyes to see what is evidenced in the universe around it and the promises of God [Romans]. Such a mind will fall for cleverly devised copies, as we are warned in the New Testament.

It is so sad to watch that video of Ravi sharing the burden God’s Spirit placed upon his heart for the Mormon faithful because the Mormons used him to further the false religion they so cherish, purveying tolerance of their heresies with the presence of a Spirit filled man bringing to them the message of God’s Grace in Christ in opposition to ‘all that you can do’. I wonder how many of the Christian visitors understood the gargantuan spiritual struggle occurring in their midst that evening?

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Or, in other words, YOU CANNOT PROVE THERE IS A GOD.

[MHGinTN]

Pay close attention here:

Romans 1:19 - 23 Because that which is known of God is manifest among them, for God did manifest [it] to them,

 for the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world, by the things made being understood, are plainly seen, both His eternal power and Godhead -- to their being inexcusable;

 because, having known God they did not glorify [Him] as God, nor gave thanks, but were made vain in their reasonings, and their unintelligent heart was darkened,

 professing to be wise, they were made fools,

 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of fowls, and of quadrupeds, and of reptiles.

Know you not that the things of God are not graspable by the natural mind that directs your foolish demand?... Prove God? Take care what you ask for your hours are not in your power to command. In trying to divert attention from your obsequious service to the father of lies, you are blind to the God Who is but an arm's length away from you!

[fproy2222]

Pay close attention here:
Romans 1:19 - 23 Because

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No NO NO

We have been told to prove “Mormonism” without “Mormon” scriptures, so it is only fair that you prove that there is a God without “Christian” scriptures.

You can, in your own words, prove there is a God without using the Bible, can’t you.

[fproy2222]

Know you not that the things of God are not graspable by the natural mind that directs your foolish demand?... Prove God? Take care what you ask for your hours are not in your power to command. In trying to divert attention from your obsequious service to the father of lies, you are blind to the God Who is but an arm’s length away from you!

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On second thought, what you say here looks like your saying you can not, in your own words, prove there is a God without using the Bible.

All you can say is that I am wrong for asking.

[Tennessee Nana]

“Or, in other words, YOU CANNOT PROVE THERE IS A GOD.”

Since you dont believe there is a God, why should you care if MHG or the rest of us do believe in God the Father and Jesus Christ, His ONLY begotten Son, begotten not made...(like Lucifer was made and not begotten)

You are so careless...an athiest...only a fool would challenge God so...

The fool hath said in his heart There is no God...Psalm 14:1, Psalm 53:1,

God laughs at you and instructs you to change your ways...Psalm 2:1-12

God Himself commands us to read and hear His word and adhere to it...Psalm 1:1-6, Romans 10:17, Matthew 7:24-26

[Tennessee Nana]

“We have been told to prove “Mormonism” without “Mormon” scriptures”

No...I believe that you have been repeated asked to prove your mormon doctrine using the scriputes in the Bible..

I will ask you again...

WHERE IS THE MORMON DOCTRINE MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE???? WHERE ARE THE TEACHINGS OF JOSEPH SMITH AND BRIGHAM YOUNG FOUND IN THE BIBLE???

Give me the chapter and verse that states that Joseph Smith is my judge and not Jesus Christ the Righteous...

Which decides if I go to Heaven, Jesus or Joseph Smith?????

[Salvation]

Trust Fred, not Romney.

[fproy2222]

Since you dont believe there is a God, why should you care if MHG or the rest of us do believe in God the Father and Jesus Christ, His ONLY begotten Son, begotten not made...(like Lucifer was made and not begotten)

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never said that

Just saying it is only fair that you folks do what you say we should.

We have been told to prove “Mormonism” without “Mormon” scriptures, so it is only fair that you prove that there is a God without “Christian” scriptures.

You can, in your own words, prove there is a God without using the Bible, can’t you.

[fproy2222]

“We have been told to prove “Mormonism” without “Mormon” scriptures”

No...I believe that you have been repeated asked to prove your mormon doctrine using the scriputes in the Bible..

I will ask you again...

WHERE IS THE MORMON DOCTRINE MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE???? WHERE ARE THE TEACHINGS OF JOSEPH SMITH AND BRIGHAM YOUNG FOUND IN THE BIBLE???

Give me the chapter and verse that states that Joseph Smith is my judge and not Jesus Christ the Righteous...

Which decides if I go to Heaven, Jesus or Joseph Smith?????

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No No No

This is where you get to do what you say we should do.

Now live up to the rules you claim I must live by and in your own words, prove there is a God, without using the Bible.

You can, can you not?

[Tennessee Nana]

Again...

Nobody has told you to “prove “Mormonism” without “Mormon” scriptures”

You have just been asked to prove the mormon doctrine using the Bible...

[fproy2222]

Nobody has told you to “prove “Mormonism” without “Mormon” scriptures”

You have just been asked to prove the mormon doctrine using the Bible...

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You and/or yours said we could not use all of our scriptures, so, it is your turn to prove God is there, without using all of your scriptures, and since the Bible is all of your scriptures, we are back to the original question,

This is where you get to do what you say we should do.

Now live up to the rules you claim I must live by and in your own words, prove there is a God, without using the Bible.

You can, can you not?

[MHGinTN]

You are incapable of seeing that to prove Mormonism is not the same as to prove God. Sadly, the demon at the heart of Mormonism has tied your mind into a 'not' you cannot untie.

Even your peepstone false prophet tried to create a prophecy of 'his coming in these latter days' by rewriting the Bible to include himself (see added end of the Book of Genesis, Joe Smith 'translation of the King James Bible).

Your Momronism religion is based upon lie after fabrication, proven a fabrication by the failed 'prophesies of your divination founder (a peepstone in a hat? LOL) and his and other founders' sexual degeneracy.

Now, because you get angry that you are called to show why we ought to believe your false religion by what is found in the Bible, God's Word, you demand that we prove God without using the Bible, as if in your flawed, demonically missled mind proving Mormonism would be equivalent to proving God exists!

And I post for you the Bible explanation from Romans chapter one of what witness we have apart from the Bible (the Old Testament Torah/Tanach in Paul's case) and you are incapable of seeing what is spiritually discerned. And you want to call yourself Christian? ... You might want to stop before you dig the Mormonism grave any deeper.

[Tennessee Nana]

“Now live up to the rules you claim I must live by and in your own words, prove there is a God, without using the Bible.

You can, can you not?”
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I dont know what “rules” you speak of..

But I can prove there is a God without using the Bible...

Although I love the Word of God and it is Bread for me and my guide and self-help book and the instructions for my daily life...

Millions of people believed there is a God before the Bible was written...

They just looked at the mountains arranged in order, looked at the delicacy of a flower, felt the wind and the sun on their face...experienced the gentle rain nurishing their crops..and knew that there was someone greater than themselves..

Someone put the seasons into place and set the Earth spinning around the sun..someone was tugging at their hearts and wooing them with His love ...

God said He would never leave us or forsake us...millions believe that and have experienced His loving comfort and joy and peace...

It seems you have not and I feel sorry for you because you beat yourself up with your doubt and misery and unbelief more than you do me and the other Christians in these threads..

God came to people in far of places and times and made himmself known to them ...like Abraham who believed him and the man who started the Buddist religion, who rejected Him and turned to paganism... Both of these men are historical firures and their stories are found outside the Bible..Josephus the 1st Century Jew who cronicled the history of the Hebrews and also the life of Jesus...

There used to be a “song” on the radio when I was a child that told of a soldier in World War II that went something like this...

A soldier was caught with a pack of regular playing cards when the company had stopped to rest and he was told by the chaplain to put away the cards...The soldier replied that he had been fighting for a long time and needed the reasurrance and comfit of God’s presence..he said that he had neither Bible or Prayer Book, but he did have the cards and that they reminded him of God..When asked how that was he began..

When I look at the Ace, the one, I am reminded that there is just one God in Heaven who made Heaven and the Earth..

When I look at the deuce, the two, I am reminded ...

When I look at the three I am reminded that there three, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost..

When I look at the Four I am reminded of the Four Gospels which tell of my Lord Jesus Christ..

When I look at the five I am reminded...

When I look at the six I am reminded. that in six days God made Heaven and the earth,

When I look at the seven I am reminded that on the seventh day, God rested...

When I look at the eight I am reminded that...

When I look at the nine I am reminded of the nine lepers who wre healed by Jesus and never returned to thank Him

When I look at the 10 I am remended of the Ten Commandments of God

When I look at the King I amn reminded of Jesus who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords...

When I look at the Queen I am reminded of Mary, the Queen of Heaven

When I look at the Joker I am reminded of Satan, the devil.........................

Satan is the one who has deceived you...you are not searching for answers you have already made up your mind and have rejected God and Jesus the only begotten son of God...

[fproy2222]

You are incapable of seeing that to prove Mormonism is not the same as to prove God. Sadly, the demon at the heart of Mormonism has tied your mind into a ‘not’ you cannot untie.
(and on and on and on)

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A bunch of pretty words that really mean you can not, in your own words, prove there is a God.

Since you can not prove there is a God, please step aside for someone who can.

[fproy2222]

Satan is the one who has deceived you...you are not searching for answers you have already made up your mind and have rejected God and Jesus the only begotten son of God.

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First off, thank you for trying to prove there is a God without using the Bible.

What you have given me are reasons you have think you have faith that there is a God. I see no proof.

Ps. I have have in no way rejected God, and Jesus the only begotten son of God. I only ask you to defend what you think your religion is, like you folks want us to defend out beliefs. It’s only fair.

[codercpc]

Mitt is not my candidate, but the more and more dirty tricks he “supposedly” does, according to other candidate supporters, I am beginning to believe that he may be the best one for the general election. After all wouldn’t everyone here love it if this kind of “dirty trick” was pulled on a dem by the Republican?

[Tennessee Nana]

“I only ask you to defend what you think your religion is, like you folks want us to defend out beliefs. It’s only fair.”

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

But God is not fair...God is Just..

Only Satan wants everything to be “fair”

God does not say it is OK to believe or not..

God says to believe on His Son, Jesus and be saved or dont believe and be damned...

If you want luke warm, mamby pamby fair you will not find it with God...

[MHGinTN]

You would be amusing, if you were not such a sterling example of the blindness inherent in plodding along in Momronism.

Are you really so dense that you would equate proving God exists with proving Momronism is true? How uneducated can you be?... In what criteria would like this proof that God exists? Are you smart enough to comprehend a discussion of causality and quantum mechanics? Do you feel at least competant ewnough to comprehend the examples Paul gave to the Greeks and believers in Rome and Corinth?

You are a speck that God has created, yet you are trying to create a conundrum regarding God's existence without having the brains or education to construct a syllogism. As to 'fair', I told you when you posted those specious pleadings regarding a Roman Soldier as the father of Jesus that you would get nothing fair from me further. You are the servant of the enemy.

[Tennessee Nana]

“I only ask you to defend what you think your religion is, like you folks want us to defend out beliefs”

I never asked you to “defend” your beliefs...your beliefs are indefencible...and heresy..

I dont have to defend my beliefs...I am only told to give an account of my belief in God and the hope that is in me..Colossians 4:6, 2 Timothy 2:25, 26, 1 Peter 3:15,...and share the Gospel with you...Psalm 119:46, Ezekiel 3:17-21, Matthew 28:18-20, Mark 16:15... I dont have to prove anything...God works by faith..Hebrews 11:1

Jesus said that if you do not believe Him and the Old Testament prophets there is nothing else to tell you...Luke 16:29-31

Then it’s up to you...If you believe you will be saved...if you continue to reject Jesus and continue in your disbelief you will be damned..Mark 16:16

[MHGinTN]

You would be amusing, if you were not such a sterling example of the blindness inherent in plodding along in Moronism.

Are you really so dense that you would equate proving God exists with proving Mormonism is true? How uneducated can you be?... In what criteria would like this proof that God exists? Are you smart enough to comprehend a discussion of causality and quantum mechanics? Do you feel at least competant enough to comprehend the examples Paul gave to the Greeks and believers in Rome and Corinth?

You are a speck that God has created, yet you are trying to create a conundrum regarding God's existence without having the brains or education to construct a syllogism. As to 'fair', I told you when you posted those specious pleadings regarding a Roman Soldier as the father of Jesus that you would get nothing fair from me further. You are the servant of the enemy.