Posted on 01/04/2008 1:25:56 PM PST by newgeezer
The pizza delivery driver who fatally shot a robber last week could have faced discipline over the incident had he not resigned, a Domino's spokesman said Wednesday.
…
Employees sign an agreement in which they agree not to carry a weapon, Domino's corporate spokesman Tim McIntyre said, a policy designed to protect both the public and employees.
"We're driving down … streets. We're going to people's homes. We're also a workplace," he said.
McIntyre added that police had told the company, "There are too many cases in which a person's own weapon has been used against them."
…
Domino's trains employees to minimize their risk, both before and during a robbery, McIntyre said. Drivers are told to carry a cell phone and avoid wearing jewelry or carrying valuables or more than a small amount of cash — typically $20. …
If robbers approach, drivers are told to "turn over the pizza and empty your pockets."
"The best way to save yourself from harm is to get the situation over as quickly and efficiently as possible," he said. …
Domino's also offers security training to other pizza companies to minimize everyone's risk by limiting the potential payoff to would-be delivery robbers.
…
The driver shot Brian Smith, 19, of the 600 block of Ferguson Avenue in Ferguson, on Dec. 27. His alleged accomplice, Rodney Reese, 18, fled with the pizzas, soda and the driver's wallet, police said, and was later charged with first-degree robbery, two counts of armed criminal action and second-degree murder because he was allegedly involved in a fatal crime.
McIntyre said any punishment would not have been "because he (the driver) defended himself. It would be because he violated a policy that he agreed to follow."
"We completely expect to be criticized," he added.
(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...
Sorry, but I prefer discussing this with those who know what they are talking about.
Your info about scaffolds is just as erroneous as OSHA’s motivations towards gun rights.
OSHA only deals with workplace injuries and illness. This ranks right up there with the BS a few years ago promulgated by Rush that OSHA was going to inspect your home office and cite you for hazards in your house.
Bull no one said it never happens.. I responded directly to a post where the poster was LOL ing and said name three... I did.
I don’t advocate Dominos position in this, but to laughingly claim that people don’t get shot by their own guns is patently ignorant.
I work on jobs where OSHA has sway. My instructions are EXACTLY as I posted, so I know what I'm talking about. I'm sure the long arm of OSHA reaches over into the Middle East also, so that's why YOU'D know ALL about OSHA, neh? **snicker**
Your info about scaffolds is just as erroneous as OSHA’s motivations towards gun rights.
Also, apparently, you can't read:
"Also, and this is hearsay, mind you - I've heard that if you're working on scaffolding on the job site, you WILL be cited."
What part of "hearsay" don't you understand?
Get off me. I saw the other thread where you were carrying a torch for OSHA. You've got an axe to grind. I deal in reliable information. Never the twain shall meet.
“Police are often effectively required to get within contact distance”
Excellent point. I have avoided contact several times where it would have been the police’s obligation to move in.
“Employees sign an agreement in which they agree not to carry a weapon, Domino’s corporate spokesman Tim McIntyre said, a policy designed to protect both the public and employees.”
Well, I think we just read what does the job better.
“We’re driving down … streets. We’re going to people’s homes. We’re also a workplace,” he said.
And your point is?
“McIntyre added that police had told the company, “There are too many cases in which a person’s own weapon has been used against them.”
Are these the same police who have absolutely no duty to protect us? Kinda makes one reluctant to listen to them.
“If robbers approach, drivers are told to “turn over the pizza and empty your pockets.”
“The best way to save yourself from harm is to get the situation over as quickly and efficiently as possible,” he said. …”
Oh, like criminals never kill just for the sheer joy of it or to eliminate a potential witness. And the “give them what they want approach” will only encourage them to rob more pizza delivery men.
It’s crap like this that make me glad that, one, I don’t work for a pizza company and, two, I don’t order from Dominoes.
How often do people get disarmed and shot with their own weapons in scenarios where neither person is, nor pretends to be, a cop?
Pointing a gun at a robber will get the situation over pretty quickly (robber either runs, surrenders, or attacks; in any case, no longer a threat). I can't imagine cooperating with the robber would get the situation over faster.
No, you deal in HEARSAY!
You didn't read the OSHA documents, only what others said about what others said about them.
Hearsay, not reliable information as you claim.
Even if it were true someone’s weapon had been used against them—so what?
What about the times it works successfully? What about cops who carry weapons. There HAVE been times when a cop’s gun has been taken and used on him or another. SHould they NOT carry weapons because life doesn’t always work the way we’d prefer it?
These people are idiots.
OOOOOH, discipline from Dominos! ...scary....
Beyond ignorant are your posts here
Go have another drink.
I’m not saying you should patronize Dominos, their pizza sucks anyway, I’m just saying if you’re going to boycott a company because they disarm their employees and you want to be fair about it there’s a lot more companies than Dominos. McDonalds, Jack-in-the-Box, CircleK, 7-11, these are all places I know for sure get robbed regularly and have a disarmed employee company policy. Most banks too, some might have a security guard, but you can pretty much guarantee none of the other employees are armed. Really the reality is 99% of the service industry, except for gun shops, has a policy of unarmed employees.
I bet your eyes lit up like a kid on Christmas when you saw me post the word "OSHA" up...
does signing the no weapons waiver for employment release dominoes from liability if an employee gets hurt/dead ???
About 18 years ago I was a manager working for IBM—one of the companies that forbids firearms on its premises—when an employee in an adjacent department decided that he no longer needed to take his meds for bipolar disorder. The guy really went bonkers, kicking holes in the wall of his office and threatening his fellow employees. One of his threats was that he was going to bring in an Uzi and blow away several co-workers with whom he had had disagreements. At that point his manager called security and he was hauled to the nearest hospital in a straight jacket and was not allowed to return until he agreed never to stop taking his meds. I often thought that, if the guy had acted rather than merely threatening, we would have been sitting, defenseless ducks thanks to the IBM policy.
Totally understood.
To think that there is only one viewpoint on this, however, is erroneous.
As I pointed out in previous posts, I’ve carried despite rules to the contrary and will do so again when I think I need to.
When developing rules for the workplace in general it becomes more difficult than what we or a few do individually. In that sense, guns are no different than any other policy one has to make for the general workplace and interpreting no firearms rules as being anti Bill of Rights as many do is also erroneous.
I don’t have an answer for the issue other than what I do individually. It is a lot easier for people to talk tough until they are responsible for the decision.
Face it, even gun shows don’t allow customers to carry loaded firearms!
Yeah, um..how many? Source available from the company? NADA!
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.