Posted on 01/04/2008 1:25:56 PM PST by newgeezer
The pizza delivery driver who fatally shot a robber last week could have faced discipline over the incident had he not resigned, a Domino's spokesman said Wednesday.
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Employees sign an agreement in which they agree not to carry a weapon, Domino's corporate spokesman Tim McIntyre said, a policy designed to protect both the public and employees.
"We're driving down … streets. We're going to people's homes. We're also a workplace," he said.
McIntyre added that police had told the company, "There are too many cases in which a person's own weapon has been used against them."
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Domino's trains employees to minimize their risk, both before and during a robbery, McIntyre said. Drivers are told to carry a cell phone and avoid wearing jewelry or carrying valuables or more than a small amount of cash — typically $20. …
If robbers approach, drivers are told to "turn over the pizza and empty your pockets."
"The best way to save yourself from harm is to get the situation over as quickly and efficiently as possible," he said. …
Domino's also offers security training to other pizza companies to minimize everyone's risk by limiting the potential payoff to would-be delivery robbers.
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The driver shot Brian Smith, 19, of the 600 block of Ferguson Avenue in Ferguson, on Dec. 27. His alleged accomplice, Rodney Reese, 18, fled with the pizzas, soda and the driver's wallet, police said, and was later charged with first-degree robbery, two counts of armed criminal action and second-degree murder because he was allegedly involved in a fatal crime.
McIntyre said any punishment would not have been "because he (the driver) defended himself. It would be because he violated a policy that he agreed to follow."
"We completely expect to be criticized," he added.
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When I delivered pizzas for DOIDS back in college I carried an AR-15 about a 1966 model in a fiat spyder convertible.I would go to sling arms and carry the pizza to the door.I would tell the customer they lived in a bad neighborhood was the reason for the weapon. Got some looks to be sure.Oh and never got robbed.Screw what corporate policy states.
well he has his life. Wish I had a restaurant there I’d hire him.
Nothing unusual about a double post but that’s the longest I’ve ever seen it take for the second one to show up - 20 minutes.
Indicitive of the speed of the servers today. I can’t bloviate properly at this speed.
Ha!
Second Amendment Pizza!
Lock and load one tonight!
Don't blame you there. If I had such a business (I don't) and lived in a concealed carry state (I don't) I would make it a condition of employment that my drivers be willing to defend themselves by carrying. Then I would instruct them that their gun is for their defense, not the defense of my pizzas or money.
Don't do it quietly because then they won't get the message. Instead -- call in to order a pizza but ask them if their driver is armed for self defense. When they say no -- cancel the order. FREEP every local Dominoes with calls to order pizza delivered by armed drivers -- no such drivers, then cancel the orders. Keep doing it until they get the message.
Once upon a time I had a job that did not allow employees to carry firearms.
After about 2 weeks on the job I started carrying due to some neighborhoods I entered in Pompano Beach and Ft. Lauderdale.
The only way they’d ever know is if I had to use it and at that point losing my job would be the least of my worries.
Another job also required us civilians to be unarmed. But where there’s a will there’s a way!
With that goes the implict assurance that the driver will be safe.
There is a lawsuit waiting to happen against the pizza company whose unarmed driver is killed.
The political climate on this is changing, and in time, so will the pizza company policies. It will only take one or two deliverymen killings, along with a lawsuit by the surviving families.
Who says lawyers are no good?
Wow. Let’s see, dead or injured versus a fabulous career delivering Domino’s. Tough Choice. /sarc
That whole bit about OSHA being anti gun is baseless.
I’m sure that you trust yourself with a concealed weapon at work.
Suppose that you are the Top Dog for a large company. Are you comfortable knowing that each and every employee of your company may be carrying weapons in and out of your workplace at will?
Most do not find the risks acceptable.
Buddy of mine is a field worker for a high profile communications company that has a ban on weapons on the job.
He packs every day with the attitude, “My job or my life? They can fire me. I can always find another job.”
In the vast majority of times I delivered, I carried.
I will say that more drivers carry than the public knows or Domino's will ever admit to knowing.
It may be their policy but it isn't mine AND I STILL WON'T PATRONIZE DOMINOS' PIZZA. I still think their policy of disarming their delivery drivers and then sending them into places that police often won't go to in less than platoon strength and with kevlar helmets, armour and automatic weapons has cost drivers their lives!
Frequently these are college students working part time to help with the cost of getting an education (and with most of the Liberal College campii declaring themselves Gun Free Zones, these delivery drivers/students are already taking their lives in their hands just going to class).
Tell me who else does that and I'll add them to my list of places I won't do business with.
The solution would be legislation that makes clear that:
A typical citizen will seek to get away and stay away from anyone they believe is dangerous. Police are often effectively required to get within contact distance of such people and try to apprehend them. It should not be surprising that they are at more risk of having their weapon stolen.
What I would like to see would be some instances where someone had his weapon stolen and used against him, in which neither the crook nor the victim was, or pretended to be, a police officer or government agent.
Keep telling yourself that...
Read something other than GOA fundraising headlines.
Wellll, prolly only the CCW employees would be carrying them in and out of the workplace...
Actually, you've suggested a lucrative occupation: "Gunionization representative".
The gunionization organizer shows up at a company like Domino's, which is coercing prospective employees into signing away their gun-carrying rights.
You force the company to sign legalese stating that THEY'VE got the employee's back if their policy results in the employee's death (you know, take of the family, cash forever, etc.). Company don't want to play ball, you "gunionize" the employees.
Anything ever happens, the "gunion" employees basically own the company...
On a side note: Anything nasty said about OSHA is probably true. I have standing instructions to leave the job site immediately if an OSHA guy shows up. Also, and this is hearsay, mind you - I've heard that if you're working on scaffolding on the job site, you WILL be cited. Period.
There's apparently NO way to correctly work on scaffolding.
Think about THAT one for a while...
“If robbers approach, drivers are told to “turn over the pizza and empty your pockets.” “
That was the FAA’s approach to terrorists on airplanes and see where that got us during 9/11.
YOu said name 3, I picked 3 that were direct law enforcement related, I can quote you pleanty more.
I am not advocating disarming citizens, but your laughing suggestion that people don’t get shot with their own weapons is beyond naive and ignorant.
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