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The jury verdict to acquit sends a strong signal people are ready for a fundamental change of our oppressive tax code. It's time to end the tyrannical IRS and the means by which it uses taxes as a means of punishment and control. It's time for The Fair Tax! Fair Tax ping!
1 posted on 01/04/2008 5:06:18 AM PST by Man50D
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Fair Tax ping!


2 posted on 01/04/2008 5:06:52 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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>His successful defense was based on a challenge to the IRS to prove a constitutional foundation for the nation’s income tax.<

Color me skeptical.....


3 posted on 01/04/2008 5:10:36 AM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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First things first. Repeal of the 16th Amendment. Pass a new amendment speciffically forbidding the federal government from collecting revenue without apportionment.

Then we'll talk about a new revenue source.

4 posted on 01/04/2008 5:12:26 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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Gee! a lawyer I could actually begin to like.


8 posted on 01/04/2008 5:28:26 AM PST by bikerman (_ _ . /_ _ _ /_ . . / / . . . . / . / . _ . . / . _ _ . / / . . _ / . . . //)
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Probably a Section 1981 lawsuit. 2nd Amendment supporters need to be aware of and prepared to use this concept when deprived of their right to keep and bear arms.

Best regards,

10 posted on 01/04/2008 5:34:06 AM PST by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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“The jury verdict to acquit sends a strong signal people are ready for a fundamental change of our oppressive tax code.”

Have you seen the video of the woman juror who was on the Cryer case? It’s very interesting and explains why the jury voted the way they did.


11 posted on 01/04/2008 5:39:18 AM PST by dljordan
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Yet another costly lawsuit, paid for by the taxpayer, against a system that shouldn’t exist.
12 posted on 01/04/2008 5:41:37 AM PST by cowboyway ("No damn man kills me and lives." -- Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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He was being investigated for criminal charges and for encouraging others to behave in a criminal fashion - talking to his clients seems a reasonable way for that investigation to proceed.

All of his claims about not owing income tax were rejected - he just convinced a jury he had no intent to commit a crime by not filing since he honestly believed his theory about his trust being legal.

So basically I think this suit is one more crazy stunt by people who put their energy into pretending income tax doesn’t exist instead of trying to reform the system.


13 posted on 01/04/2008 5:50:50 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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The jury verdict to acquit sends a strong signal people are ready for a fundamental change of our oppressive tax code.

No, it doesn't.

It signals that the jury was dumb enough to believe Cryer's idiotic (he's a lawyer) "I really, really didn't know I had to file" baloney, since his was a "Cheek" defense against willfulness.

Cryer's problem is that he's now on notice that he has to file. The "Cheek" defense only works once (sometimes.) His current goofy lawsuit will fail in its entirety, IRS agents are permitted to disclose information that is necessary to further their investigations.

Cryer is probably on his way to being disbarred, but is no doubt a hero to the TP-types here. With any luck, he will soon join Schiff, Meredith, Simkanin and the rest of the TP losers in federal prison.

And, no, I don't work for the IRS. I think the tax system needs radical change, but in the meantime the law is the law.

14 posted on 01/04/2008 5:54:23 AM PST by AntiScumbag
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Cryer alleges the federal workers repeatedly violated federal laws that restrict the disclosure of tax information, release of information about an investigation and publicizing information about a grand jury investigation.

Cry me a river.

18 posted on 01/04/2008 6:22:46 AM PST by frithguild (Then we could even disgorge the Fed of its powers and establish a free-market monetary system.)
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I regularly pay taxes I don’t owe because I am terrified of getting the IRS down on me.When I get a letter from the IRS saying I owe a certain amount I pay up. Challenging them only exposes you to the possibility that they will “come after you”. They have all the resources of the federal government and you have only a lawyer who expects you to pay up at regular intervals. Over paying my taxes is just part of the cost of doing business. No other government agency has the power to force you to prove your innocence. The IRS is the epitome of tyranny.


19 posted on 01/04/2008 6:24:34 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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They can stick their stinking “fare tax”.

We worked our whole lifes and paid high income tax rates, maximum Socialist Security, and Mediscare taxes on the money earned yet managed to save for retirement. Now some want to tax it again when I spend the savings in retirement.


30 posted on 01/04/2008 7:12:09 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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Truth Attack

This website explains what Mr. Cryer came to understand about the current tax code and how he won his case. Don't forget to check out the references that support the three points of his argument.

As for the four agents he is suing, if they broke federal law, as Mr. Cryer alleges, then they should beheld accountable, regardless of what opinions anyone has about Mr. Cryer himself. After all, the law is the law.
32 posted on 01/04/2008 7:23:12 AM PST by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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This just might be the first lawyer I actually like.


38 posted on 01/04/2008 7:31:51 AM PST by ovrtaxt (People seemed to be content, $50 paid the rent, FREAKS WERE IN A CIRCUS TENT, Those were the days.)
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The constitution already provides for tariffs. Why tax American production at the same rate as imports from communist/socialist economies?


46 posted on 01/04/2008 7:57:28 AM PST by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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The fair tax won’t eliminate the IRS. The IRS or an agency just like it will have to keep track of all earnings and transactions to try to catch people buying and selling on the massive new black market that the 30 percent sales tax will generate.


58 posted on 01/04/2008 8:32:47 AM PST by mysterio
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awesome...I hope now is the time. I think Huckabee’s appeal is largely the fairtax deal. I just wish he was more conservative. Does he have the strength to really fight for the fairtax when he raised taxes as governor quite a bit?


77 posted on 01/04/2008 9:34:59 AM PST by fabian
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Thanks for posting. It’s threads like this that really make it easy to identify our resident statists.


83 posted on 01/04/2008 9:51:35 AM PST by zeugma (Hillary! - America's Ex-Wife!)
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And then there's the story of one Robert Beale, former member of WND's board of directors and stockholder, and father of WND columnist Theodore "Vox Day" Beale:

* Tax-protesting CEO's fugitive life is over

* Ex-CEO regrets 'mission' to take on IRS

[snip]


Beale later began reading books about the tax code. One was by Irwin Schiff, one of the nation's leading anti-tax crusaders. Beale attended one of Schiff's seminars.

In February 2006, Schiff, 78, was sentenced to more than 13 years in federal prison for advising people that no U.S. law requires them to pay income tax.


(Who was it that said earlier that, "Like it or not, the tactics worked and should encourage us to study them as a means of further limiting a Federal entity that has way too much abusive power"? Well, study that, LOL!)

Bottom line: Maybe the income tax is a BAD tax. Hell, I don't know anyone who likes it. Maybe it's even a "wrong" law. But, the fact is, it's THE law.

Break it -- and, unless you find a jury with an axe to grind, you WILL go to prison -- lose your life savings, your home, your car, maybe even your family -- but, at least you'll be in the company of the "experts" who go around teaching people how to "de-tax" themselves, eh?

85 posted on 01/04/2008 9:59:09 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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Ping


131 posted on 01/04/2008 2:23:38 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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