Posted on 01/04/2008 5:06:16 AM PST by Man50D
You'll pay it anyway, Fair Tax or not.
If you buy an item from me, you have to pay my cost of producing the item, my profit margin, and my tax burden.
We're all getting screwed from multiple angles, and our savings are not exempt. The Fair Tax just spatters the same tax money all over the receipt, so we're fully aware of the cost of government.
No, I had to help him in his shed, dig out clear plastic tupperware with the rolls and dragg a couple of them back to his house.
I just talked to him. He still has the letter. I’m going to post it as a full post. Give me a few days. Matter of fact, he said they did it to him again, this time with his personal taxes.
Allow me to remind you, since you don't seem to be very bright, that Cryer still owes every single penny of tax, penalty and interest. He beat the CRIMINAL charges, he didn't beat his civil liability.
His "I'm too stupid to understand that I have to file" argument only works once in criminal court. It never works when it comes to having to pay, in fact, it's not even a defense.
The fact that he even tried to make the argument will probably get him disbarred.
It's really amazing what totally out-to-lunch people you TPs will embrace in your idiotic, futile effort to comvince anyone that they don't have to file and pay.
Ever heard of google?
The constitution already provides for tariffs. Why tax American production at the same rate as imports from communist/socialist economies?
“Now some want to tax it again when I spend the savings in retirement.”
BS Talking Point. Debunked numerous times. Such a talking point hasn’t flown and will not fly.
When savings are used to ‘spend’, they are taxed again in the price of purchases. Federal taxes are embedded in the price of everything; embedded taxes that the FairTax NRST is designed to replace.
See post 37.
re Hostage:
TP/FT - in spades. (the usual BS)
“Federal taxes are embedded in the price of everything”
BS Talking Point. Debunked numerous times.
NRST= Not Ready [for] Sales Taxes
Your question contains errors in fact. The federal tax burden is levied on businesses via SS/MC payroll taxes, corporate taxes and other taxes. This system of taxation on businesses accumulates in the price of products and services.
With every retail purchase, 22%-23% of the price is due to the accumulation and pass-on of federal taxation. This accumulation is known as the federal embedded tax in price.
The FairTax National Retail Sales Tax (NRST) replaces all federal embedded taxes that are siphoned from businesses deep and wide in the supply network. All of those siphoned federal taxes are ‘shunted’ to the retail end of the supply chain.
The new thing that disturbs Income tax lovers about the NRST is that it makes the federal tax burden visible. Obviously those with a stake in IRS do not want a light shone on the tax burden they oversee. They would rather remain in the shadows.
Lastly, the NRST is not applied to American exports. That means there will be an immediate reduction in prices of exports because business will no longer pay all the taxes that are abolished. This reduction in the price of exports will make American products and services greatly more competitive and will revive American manufacturing. In fact, other governments do exactly the same and that is why they are globally competitive whereas American international business is hamstrung by its current onerous system of taxation.
Proved to be outright bunk in many, many places. embeded taxes is the favorite urban myth if the FT/TP bunch
> “The point was that the IRS lawyers were unable to come up with any legal reasoning to counter his arguments.”
In other words, you believe everything Mr. Cryer posts without any independent verification and you would be willing to risk huge fines or jail time on that basis alone?
All I have every asked for on these threads is a link to the original legal documents on this dispute. NO ONE so far has been able to do that. Doesn’t that raise any questions?
I suggest you contact a legal firm in Lousiana and have them go to the courthouse and get the transcripts.
As for your ‘ranting’ about the IRS’s previous victories, that was already explained to you. The people they targeted were no match for their tactics.
Surely there are tax cheats but there are also those that stand on principles. Usually when a person stands on principles and has a case, the IRS folds before trial claiming a ‘technical problem’ which is code for them not having a case. Therefore, the stronger cases never see court whereas the weak ones are used to pass on the image of the IRS being tough on tax cheats.
But in the Cryer case the IRS did not fold but lost at trial.
Oh, Good!
...I’ll stop paying taxes now!
/sarc
Note to self:
‘Search engines ALWAYS lead you to the truth!’
You can go ahead and spell out TP.
I pay taxes so you can call me whatever you want. Attaching labels does not win arguments.
Cryer will be disbarred? On what grounds? I want to hear them. I know you have no facts to back it up other than a couple of IRS cowboys want revenge.
As for your last question, are you threatening me?
I notice you did not volunteer that you were going to stop paying taxes, too. If not, why (seeing as how you believe everything that one side — Cryer — has posted)?
The fair tax won’t eliminate the IRS. The IRS or an agency just like it will have to keep track of all earnings and transactions to try to catch people buying and selling on the massive new black market that the 30 percent sales tax will generate.
Who said anything about not paying taxes?
Sarcasm does not win arguments.
And search engines are used greatly in assembling information. Otherwise if you like, you can pay for the transcripts by contacting the Court.
Oh really?
Why do you insist and calling people “SQL’s” and “Income tax Lovers” on a regular basis and on many, many threads..
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