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Lawyer who beat IRS sues agents (Abolish The IRS With The Fair Tax!)
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | January 4, 2008

Posted on 01/04/2008 5:06:16 AM PST by Man50D

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To: servantboy777

I agree. I’m self-employed, and aside from the HUGE chunk of income the Feds take in the first place, they have truly draconian penalties, usurious interest rates, and vicious enforcement policies that I am sure have driven more than one person to suicide. In addition, it is a disincentive to work, because you know that the more you earn, the more trouble you’ll have with the IRS. It shouldn’t be this way.

I don’t object to paying taxes (although I’d like more control over how they’re spent) but we’ve got to find some other way of doing it.


21 posted on 01/04/2008 6:28:45 AM PST by livius
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To: servantboy777
I know a guy, has a bar. Little place. He sells, legally, over the counter a couple of cartons of cigs a week. It’s a pain, but he has to have’m. Anyways, he get a letter from the Tax Gestapo telling him that five years ago, that he missed a monthly federal tax payment on the cigs for like $17 bucks, and because of it, they wanted $4,000 in back taxes, fines, interest. (He has to figure out how many packs he sold every month, and every month cut the feds a check.) Anyways, knowing what sneaking bastards they are, he finds his canceled check that he wrote to FedGov. Goes to town hall, get’s a copy notarized, mails it in with a knee groveling you must be mistaken my Liege letter, and that’s that.

What it is, is a shake the tree sortie. They know it, they just are now going around and seeing if you can prove, years later, if you were clear.

22 posted on 01/04/2008 6:34:30 AM PST by Leisler
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To: AntiScumbag
exactly - even if it were true (and snopes says it isn’t) it would be 1 in 300 million - pretty long odds. The tax system can be repaired, by returning it to it’s roots, without the need to entirely disrupt society and the economy with “radical change”.
23 posted on 01/04/2008 6:35:09 AM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: ontap
I regularly pay taxes I don’t owe because I am terrified of getting the IRS down on me.When I get a letter from the IRS saying I owe a certain amount I pay up.

That's silly, unless you actually owe the amount claimed.

I was audited 30 years ago and the agent decided that expenses paid for via credit card weren't deductible in the current year, they had to wait until the next year to be deducted. I owed about 30 bucks. Big deal. I got my 30 bucks back the next year. The credit card versus cash payment problem is no longer the case, even as a cash basis taxpayer, BTW.

I owned an outfit doing $5 million a year in sales which was audited in '93. The IRS guy was camped out in my offices for a week. He left with no change whatsoever to the corporate return.

If you don't owe it, don't pay it. The only reason you would ever need a lawyer is if you are taking a very aggressive position.

24 posted on 01/04/2008 6:42:35 AM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: livius
usurious interest rates

The current IRS rate for underpayments is 7%. It changes quarterly, according to market rates.

Do you really think that 7% is "usurious" or are you just foaming at the mouth?

25 posted on 01/04/2008 6:51:43 AM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: AntiScumbag

We were audited once. The IRS guy was not nice, until....he found out that the IRS owed us almost $4000. We did get a little interest. Haven’t been audited since and that was about 25 years ago.


26 posted on 01/04/2008 6:57:30 AM PST by Pure Country
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To: Leisler
he get a letter from the Tax Gestapo telling him that five years ago, that he missed a monthly federal tax payment on the cigs for like $17

Yet another apocryphal story.

In this case, I suspect that your buddy is pulling your leg for whatever reason. Tax enforcement personnel have better things to do than bother anyone about $17 for this year or any year.

I know, you're ready to man the ramparts against the "Tax Gestapo," but you really ought to come up with a better reason than some fantasy.

27 posted on 01/04/2008 7:00:04 AM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: jim_trent; G Larry

Both of you should learn about something called a search engine.

Google ‘Tom Cryer’.

You will find he is an ultra high rated trial attorney that at one time prosecuted tax cheats until on one case his research led him to understand a great deception in tax code history. It was this Damascus Road conversion that led him to take on the IRS and win.

He has a website where all is explained. He often remarks that if it were not for his considerable skill as a trial attorney, he would be in a federal prison today.

The IRS attorneys tried every tactical diversion in court to squelch his defense but he anticiplated their motions and countered successfully.

If this was an arena of gladiators, the IRS usually kills their prey within minutes, whereas against Cryer they were slain.

Bottomline is that there is too much power in America’s KGB. May you never experience firsthand the truth of that statement.


28 posted on 01/04/2008 7:04:21 AM PST by Hostage
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To: servantboy777

Yeah, I heard a story where the IRS was really the KGB and they were really mean. Then the IRS admitted this was true and they are now in real trouble. Let’s get rid of them and tax. Urban myth.


29 posted on 01/04/2008 7:05:07 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Man50D

They can stick their stinking “fare tax”.

We worked our whole lifes and paid high income tax rates, maximum Socialist Security, and Mediscare taxes on the money earned yet managed to save for retirement. Now some want to tax it again when I spend the savings in retirement.


30 posted on 01/04/2008 7:12:09 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: AntiScumbag

You got your way of sleeping at night and I have mine. I watch enough on shows such as 60 minutes etc. to see what happens to some people if they happen to draw the little gestapo agent. Granted most agents are decent enough people there is also the occasional Mike Nifong among them. A couple thousand dollars is not worth the sleepless nights IMHO.


31 posted on 01/04/2008 7:19:22 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Man50D
Truth Attack

This website explains what Mr. Cryer came to understand about the current tax code and how he won his case. Don't forget to check out the references that support the three points of his argument.

As for the four agents he is suing, if they broke federal law, as Mr. Cryer alleges, then they should beheld accountable, regardless of what opinions anyone has about Mr. Cryer himself. After all, the law is the law.
32 posted on 01/04/2008 7:23:12 AM PST by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: Dutchboy88; AntiScumbag
The worst part is how the “pitchfork and torches” crowd (The FT) is playing on these urban myths everywhere they go to gain a grassroots facade to their $20 million “AstroTurf” movement. Sad how quickly the ignorant get sucked up into this giant red herring.
33 posted on 01/04/2008 7:24:20 AM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: G Larry

Well, at least he won.


34 posted on 01/04/2008 7:25:30 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: MrB

bump


35 posted on 01/04/2008 7:27:09 AM PST by Centurion2000 (It's only arrogance if you can't back it up.)
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To: dljordan

can you provide more details inot this woman’s comments?


36 posted on 01/04/2008 7:28:44 AM PST by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: Hostage

Yea, I know about his website. However, it does not include anything directly (meaning legal documents) about that specific trial. It just includes his ranting. Ranting, I might point out, that has been REJECTED in a number of court cases. I want to know WHY he prevailed when so many others did not. The only way I feel comfotable about this is to read the legal documents about the case myself. That means that Tom Cryer’s webpage is worthless. It also means doing a websearch just turns up other people talking about what they think — NOT original documents.

BTW, I checked the webpage listed above and it is also worthless. What others say about the IRS is worthless. What happened in that specific courtroom is all that is important.

If you disagree, I suggest you stop paying taxes and see how you do with the IRS.


37 posted on 01/04/2008 7:29:59 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: Man50D

This just might be the first lawyer I actually like.


38 posted on 01/04/2008 7:31:51 AM PST by ovrtaxt (People seemed to be content, $50 paid the rent, FREAKS WERE IN A CIRCUS TENT, Those were the days.)
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To: 84rules

I saw NOTHING on that webpage that shows any original legal documents from the trial. The arguments he made were no different from the arguments that have been made many times before and which have been rejected many times before. Aren’t you the least bit interested in the original sources or are you willing to go up against the IRS by saying “Tom Cryer did it. Why can’t I?”


39 posted on 01/04/2008 7:34:14 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: Hostage
You will find he is an ultra high rated trial attorney

LOL, that's one of the funniest things ever written, anywhere.

You're a funny guy. And obviously a TP.

Cryer will probably be disbarred.

If, perish the thought, you both should ever be convicted of tax crimes, would you like to share a cell with him?

40 posted on 01/04/2008 7:38:22 AM PST by AntiScumbag
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