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COMMENTARY: The Huckabee Phenomenon and the fall of the old 'religious right'
Catholic Online ^ | 1/4/2008

Posted on 01/03/2008 8:38:17 PM PST by 11th_VA

Edited on 01/03/2008 9:13:06 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

LOS ANGELES (Catholic Online) - First, it was Larry Sabato and then it was Rush Limbaugh. Sabato is the Robert Kent Gooch Professor of Politics of the Center for Politics at the University of at the University of Virginia.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; christianvote; cults; giuliani; huckabee; ia2008; lds; mittromney; mormonism; prolife; romney
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To: Philly Nomad
Huck will be the first true Christian US President.

The sheer arrogance of this statement... There have been plenty of Christian presidents. Who made you the Spanish inquisition? Who made you the judge of the state of others' souls?

181 posted on 01/04/2008 8:53:22 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Philly Nomad
Huck will be the first true Christian US President.

ANd for this and the possibility Huck might toss you the RTL amendment bone you are willing to sell every other conservative principal and the LIVE OF OUR TROOPS down the river??????

Sorry, when Huck said we should close Gitmo and then APOLOGIZED for the Bhutto assassination he lost me FOREVER.

FOREVER!!!!! I will never vote for Jimmy Carter II! Even if it means Hillary or Obama in the White House.

Huckabee as President would destroy Republican chances in the country FOR DECADES. I would rather put up with 4 years of the Dems screwing everything up.

182 posted on 01/04/2008 8:54:42 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: roses of sharon

It’s not being debated at all because the rest of the field doesn’t want to bring it up. That’s what happens when the GOP is controlled by a bunch of illegal immigrant loving businessmen, they know if they try to attack him on it they’ll lose even more True Christians who have yet to see the way of Huckabee.

The Evangelicals are ready to take over the GOP plantation.


183 posted on 01/04/2008 8:56:01 AM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: Unam Sanctam

Huckabee’s claim that his candidacy was succeeding due to “divine providence” makes him completely unacceptable at any level to me. Yes he didn’t use those exact words, but that was indeed his implication when he answered the question.

What’s next should he be elected? Every action he makes, no matter how popular or unpopular is the result of the will of God? No thanks... a bit too much hubris for me.


184 posted on 01/04/2008 8:57:32 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: commish

Everything starts with the RTL, when the RINO’s moved away from it we lost everything else.


185 posted on 01/04/2008 8:57:37 AM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: Philly Nomad
That’s what happens when the GOP is controlled by a bunch of illegal immigrant loving businessmen

I see your point, we would do so much better with an illegal immigrant & tax hike loving preacher.

186 posted on 01/04/2008 8:57:38 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: Philly Nomad
Everything starts with the RTL, when the RINO’s moved away from it we lost everything else

So you admit that you stand for NOTHING ELSE, you have no other positions or values -- only RTL nothing else matters at all?

*walks away shaking his head*

187 posted on 01/04/2008 8:59:59 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: commish

RTL is the bedrock for everything else.

A Government who doesn’t protect the life of the most vulnerable will not be able to protect us from the Mooslims.
A Government who doesn’t respect life will not respect national borders.
A Government who doesn’t limit their power over life, will not limit their power over your tax dollars.

Without RTL, none of the other platforms are even possible.


188 posted on 01/04/2008 9:11:11 AM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: Philly Nomad

What candidate have evangelicals supported and not gotten for the primary, ever?

Who was he?

And in what year?


189 posted on 01/04/2008 9:12:22 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Philly Nomad
When has Huck brought up his plans to “introduce” the RTL Constitutional Amendment?

Who are these “illegal loving businessmen” who “control” GOP primary voters?

What constitutes a “True Christian” who have “yet to see the way of Huckabee”?

190 posted on 01/04/2008 9:20:19 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: 11th_VA
Hey, didja hear Huckabee's victory speech last night?

Here's his closing line:

"Now, I have to go back to work on my New Hampshire debate opening speech. And I worked on it until pretty late last night. But I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I’m going to say this again. I did not raise taxes in that state, Arkansas. I never told anybody to harbor illegals, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people."

(with apologies/thanks to FR poster nhoward14 who originally crafted the above brilliant parody of Huckabee's scary ability to channel Bill Clinton)

191 posted on 01/04/2008 9:24:53 AM PST by Sideshow Bob
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To: roses of sharon

Mitt, Fred, Rudi, Ron, McCain all have allegiences to the money-changers before Christ.

Any resident of Iowa who did not vote for Huckabee is nothing more than a Tool of Satan.


192 posted on 01/04/2008 9:25:12 AM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: Philly Nomad
Mitt, Fred, Rudi, Ron, McCain all have allegiences to the money-changers before Christ. Any resident of Iowa who did not vote for Huckabee is nothing more than a Tool of Satan.

LOL, good one Phill, all this time I thought you were serious, jokes on me, I completely missed your sarcasm, oops!
193 posted on 01/04/2008 9:36:10 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: the808bass

Has anyone asked Huckabee whether he’s liked the way the new health program worked out?

Would it possibly matter to you, what he answered?

(Why ask?)


194 posted on 01/04/2008 9:36:15 AM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: txzman

Scrapplface has a good rendition of Huck and Obama’s speeches last night!

(2008-01-04) — Iowa presidential caucus winners Mike Huckabee and Barack Obama today announced at a joint news conference in New Hampshire that “the partisan divisiveness which has torn our land is dead.”

The new Democrat and Republican frontrunners have decided to unite their two campaigns under one banner to “overthrow the military-industrial complex, crush greedy corporate fat cats and end the politics of personal destruction.”

“I could no more run against my Christian brother Barack than I could run a negative TV ad about Mitt RomneyMitt-Romney-MBA Sep-07 ,” said the former Arkansas governor. “Together we’ll unite this polarized nation — together in perfect harmony.”

A spokesman for the new HuckObama 2008 campaign said, “Each of these men has tapped a primal desire among the electorate to look past the issues that divide us and to unite on common ground — like our faith in the power of the federal government to improve people’s lives, and our rage against corporate CEOs whose greed denies the rest of us our God-given right to be as wealthy as they are.”

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195 posted on 01/04/2008 9:45:19 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: danmar
No Thompson has the wrong message and that’s why he lost and will continue to lose. If Fred had Huckabee’s strong positions on abortion and gay marriage, then Fred would be the winner. The deep south will see things the same way.
196 posted on 01/04/2008 10:02:42 AM PST by Tlaloc
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To: Tlaloc
If Fred had Huckabee’s strong positions on abortion and gay marriage, then Fred would be the winner.

Fred has strong positions on abortion and gay marriage. He's just not Baptist.

Having said that, Fred needs to figure out how to get his message to resonate with voters without changing it. I don't think Huckabee cares what the message is as long as it resonates. Fred can run a conservative campaign that resonates. Here's hoping he will.

197 posted on 01/04/2008 10:24:19 AM PST by the808bass
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To: the808bass
The government didn't take anything from us. Our weak apathetic lazy morose society gave up its intellectual and moral underpinnings. The government was only an enabler. It was us.

The Supreme Court, government-funded schools, and the welfare state have been among the most powerful agents of cultural change. Why credit an amorphous thing like society when there are more proximate and knowable causes?

198 posted on 01/04/2008 10:28:49 AM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: the808bass
Well, "strong" is kind of realive. I guess you could say he has "strong" positions on abortion and gay marriage, just not as strong as Huckabee's.

Fred problem is not style, it's substance. It's not that Fred is too lazy or slow, or old. It's that he's wrong.

199 posted on 01/04/2008 11:04:28 AM PST by Tlaloc
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To: bragginright
Religious big governmentism is contradictory with Christianity.

The problem is the GOP is saturated with people who don't understand Christianity. They honestly believe that Christ wants them to use earthly government to enact His teachings, and they honestly believe that voting for Huckabee is part of their path to personal salvation. They fear they'll be judged as sinful and condemned to Hell if they don't vote for the guy who quotes the Bible.

They're the same people who think God wants them to have eartly riches and that angels really are cute little girls in white robes with big eyes and wings, and you can pray to them.

It's just lazy Christianity. Rather than live a life of humble devotion and witness to others, they just want to punch a button on a voting machine and have the government enforce it. They need to remember that nowhere in the Bible did Christ scrap His ministry to travel to Rome and demand the Senate arrest everyone not following His teachings.

200 posted on 01/04/2008 11:13:49 AM PST by VirginiaConstitutionalist (The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of the Individual against the State.)
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