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COMMENTARY: The Huckabee Phenomenon and the fall of the old 'religious right'
Catholic Online ^ | 1/4/2008

Posted on 01/03/2008 8:38:17 PM PST by 11th_VA

Edited on 01/03/2008 9:13:06 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

LOS ANGELES (Catholic Online) - First, it was Larry Sabato and then it was Rush Limbaugh. Sabato is the Robert Kent Gooch Professor of Politics of the Center for Politics at the University of at the University of Virginia.


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Rush Limbaugh. I listened to him on the radio Wednesday during the long drive between Hampton Roads and Richmond, Virginia...He has also coined a new "rush-ism", referring to the support for Governor Huckabee as "identity politics". His logic for this new term goes like this: The 'religious right" is made up of all evangelical Protestants. Huckabee was a Baptist minister. So, they will all identify with him. Apparently Rush sees conservative evangelical voters as lemmings of some sort who all group together. Well, he is wrong. Maybe they, like many others, are increasingly disillusioned with the coalition built around them which now fails to value what they even value the most.

Let he who has ears hear ...

1 posted on 01/03/2008 8:38:17 PM PST by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA
Apparently Rush sees conservative evangelical voters as lemmings of some sort who all group together.

No, it is Huckabee who is narrowly branding himself as the "evangelical" candidate, and who is narrowly appealing to that specific segment and telling people to vote for him because he is a "Christian leader". He is the one makingdirty, disingenuous comments about Mormon beliefs, implying that people shouldn't vote for someone because of their Mormon beliefs. I am a traditional Christian believer (Catholic) who absolutely hates the constant demonization of Christians by liberals in this country, but this kind of narrow confessional politics just plays into liberals' hands. President Bush didn't go around telling people to vote for him because he is Christian. Shame on the Huckabee supporters in Iowa. If Huckabee wins the nomination, the Republicans will be creamed in the general election.

2 posted on 01/03/2008 8:46:39 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: 11th_VA

The only way to believe that the president has powers over the womb is to buy into the liberal system that bought us the flawed Roe v Wade decision. I can never support a president who believes that.

As for the thought behind a constitutional amendment to change this, once again, a president has no power over this decision, it rests with Congress and the states. Since that /would/ give the Federal government purview over the womb, I’d say that’s a bad day for those who believe in the Constitution.

Get rid of the liberal interpretations of the Constitution, don’t get rid of the Constitution.


3 posted on 01/03/2008 8:51:13 PM PST by kingu (Fred08 - The Constitution is the value I'm voting for. What value are you voting for?)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Gov. Huckabee saying he was a Christian is like another candidate saying he’s a member of the Chamber of Commerce - both suggest where the candidates stand on a large number of issues ...


4 posted on 01/03/2008 8:52:01 PM PST by 11th_VA (HUCKABEE: Pro-Family, Pro-Worker, Pro-Life !!!)
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"Additionally, he has a growing base of populist supporters, showing himself to be not unlike Democratic candidate John Edwards."


That is my problem with him. He is a big government populist, not a conservative. With Huckabee at the helm the process of redefining conservatism so as to be compatible with big government would greatly accelerate. I have had enough of this with Bush and Hucakbee would be far worse. It is early and I am not going to get too excited by the Iowa results, but Huckabee is my least favorite choice among the GOP candidates.
5 posted on 01/03/2008 8:52:35 PM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: 11th_VA
He has also coined a new "rush-ism", referring to the support for Governor Huckabee as "identity politics". His logic for this new term goes like this: The 'religious right" is made up of all evangelical Protestants. Huckabee was a Baptist minister. So, they will all identify with him.

According to Wikipedia, the term "identity politics" has been in use since the 1970s.

-PJ

6 posted on 01/03/2008 8:53:22 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: 11th_VA

huck is a kook.

kook. fortunately most Republicans know this....


7 posted on 01/03/2008 8:54:54 PM PST by Porterville (Don't bug me about my grammar, you are not that great.)
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To: 11th_VA
Sabato is the Robert Kent Gooch Professor of Politics of the Center for Politics at the University of at the University of Virginia. I watched him on weekend television. He certainly established himself as a “talking head” favorite, showing up everywhere these days in what has become an ever increasing sea of media punditry.

So, when does Sabato appear on Hardball to say that heard Huckabee say the N-word?

-PJ

8 posted on 01/03/2008 8:55:54 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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The Huckabee phenomenon marks the RISE of the NEW “religious right!” Let the Godless liberals beware!


9 posted on 01/03/2008 8:56:30 PM PST by Tlaloc
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"Gov. Huckabee saying he was a Christian is like another candidate saying he’s a member of the Chamber of Commerce - both suggest where the candidates stand on a large number of issues ..."


No it does not. Jesse Jackson is a Christian, does that mean conservatives should support him? Rush was right, Huckabee IS playing identity politics.
10 posted on 01/03/2008 8:56:47 PM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Agreed. Among a few moderates around me who’ve actually bothered to see Huckabee in interviews (this is America, we’ve got better things to do than to obsess over some silly caucus), they’ve all had a uniformly negative reaction to all the Jesus comments. I’m one Catholic who wonders if once Huckabee’s finished demonizing the Mormons, he’ll decide we’re next on the hit list.

While I want a tough President, I want one who finds his enemies overseas shooting at our people, not his neighbors who follow a different Christian creed. Huckabee would have fit in well in the 30 Years War or the Byzantine Empires struggles over the Trinity. What is about Arkansas that produces these narrow minded, deceitful, hypocritical politicians?


11 posted on 01/03/2008 8:57:58 PM PST by LenS
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To: rob777

Religious big governmentism is contradictory with Christianity. If one believes that God will provide for each individual then there is no need for the government to “do God’s work” in this area. There is no Christian basis for pursuing God’s plan through the government, be it providing for the poor or making God’s laws the laws of a nation.


12 posted on 01/03/2008 8:58:05 PM PST by bragginright
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So, when does Sabato appear on Hardball to say that heard Huckabee say the N-word?

I'm laughing and crying - don't remind me about that macaca stuff ...

13 posted on 01/03/2008 8:59:06 PM PST by 11th_VA (HUCKABEE: Pro-Family, Pro-Worker, Pro-Life !!!)
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To: Tlaloc
"The Huckabee phenomenon marks the RISE of the NEW “religious right!” Let the Godless liberals beware!"


Actually, the ones who should beware are those traditional conservatives who still take seriously the issue of limited government. The rise of Huckabee is the death of traditional conservatism. Michael Tanner saw this coming in his book "Leviathan on the Right".
14 posted on 01/03/2008 9:01:56 PM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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When have the religious right not gotten the candidate they wanted nominated?

Who and in what year?

What is the source of their disillusionment?

15 posted on 01/03/2008 9:02:24 PM PST by roses of sharon
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I don’t recall any Republican Christian politician using and abusing his religion for political gain as much as Huckabee. It smacks of Bill Clinton’s photo ops walking to church with a Bible in his hand, or photo ops John Kerry going to Mass during the election so all the little old churchgoing Catholic ladies will vote for him notwithstanding his votes on abortion issues. Real Christians shouldn’t use their religion to gain votes, or imply that someone shouldn’t vote for someone else because of their Mormon beliefs.


16 posted on 01/03/2008 9:02:35 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: 11th_VA

I don’t recall any Republican Christian politician using and abusing his religion for political gain as much as Huckabee. It smacks of Bill Clinton’s photo ops walking to church with a Bible in his hand, or photo ops John Kerry going to Mass during the election so all the little old churchgoing Catholic ladies will vote for him notwithstanding his votes on abortion issues. Real Christians shouldn’t use their religion to gain votes, or imply that someone shouldn’t vote for someone else because of their Mormon beliefs.


17 posted on 01/03/2008 9:02:43 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: 11th_VA
When have the religious right not gotten the candidate they wanted nominated?

Who and in what year?

What is the source of their disillusionment?

18 posted on 01/03/2008 9:03:26 PM PST by roses of sharon
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To: 11th_VA
When have the religious right not gotten the candidate they wanted nominated?

Who and in what year?

What is the source of their disillusionment?

19 posted on 01/03/2008 9:03:55 PM PST by roses of sharon
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To: 11th_VA

I agree. This article is right on the money. Huckabee is not going away because he represents a wide swath of opinion among middle American voters. Committed to faith, life, family and biblical values, they are also compassionate and see government as a tool not a master. Couldn’t have said it better myself.


20 posted on 01/03/2008 9:03:57 PM PST by Juan Medén
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