Posted on 01/03/2008 8:38:17 PM PST by 11th_VA
Edited on 01/03/2008 9:13:06 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
LOS ANGELES (Catholic Online) - First, it was Larry Sabato and then it was Rush Limbaugh. Sabato is the Robert Kent Gooch Professor of Politics of the Center for Politics at the University of at the University of Virginia.
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Interesting post.
“Abortion (murder) is already illegal, despite what the SC says. The SC can be ignored (they have no actual power over the Executive) and as Chief LEO of the Nation, the President can simply order Federal Marshals to close down abortuaries.”
GOOD GRIEF!
“I’m sorry did Bush even try to propose a Pro-Life amendment when he had control of both houses of Congress and a 90% approval rating? No. The Pro-Life cause to the GOP establishment is nothing more than a bait and switch to get Evangelicals to vote for them.”
Ever heard of Roberts and Alito?
There's a good chance they'll both be on the same ticket.
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For that, they chose AlGore.
Nonsensical.
Did they ever propose a pro-life amendment?
The only way to truly protect the unborn is the Pro-Life Amendment, everything else is just one step above a used car salesman saying “Trust us.” Evangelicals have loyally supported the GOP for the last 30 years.
It was the fiscal conservatives who voted for Perot, not the Evangelicals giving us Klinton. It was the Evangelicals putting W over the top against McCain, when the RINO’s were making their last stand.
And how have the Evangelicals been rewarded by the GOP for their loyalty with insults and derision.
You know, if the Blacks were treated this poorly by the Dems, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be cozying up to Mitt and Huck and Fred years ago.
Did President Bush promise to propose a RTL Amendment to the Constitution? Has Huck?
When has this been debated? In what primary?
When have the American people debated this Constitutional Amendment?
Huck’s going to do it, that’s why the Rino’s really fear him.
Huck will be the first true Christian US President.
When have values voters not gotten the man they wanted in the primary?
Who and what year?
Last night I listened to his speech, and heard all of his interviews, not a peep about a RTL Constitutional Amendment.
Have you heard him promise this?
Anyone remember this guy?
Abraham Lincoln:
"When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion."
Abraham Lincoln:
"That I am not a member of any Christian Church, is true; but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and I have never spoken with intentional disrespect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular."
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Wrong wrong wrong WRONG. "Letting the states decide" is a recipe for national disaster. You can't "let the states decide" when it comes to things like murder or slavery. We fought a war over that, remember? ................. “Abortion (murder) is already illegal, despite what the SC says. The SC can be ignored (they have no actual power over the Executive) and as Chief LEO of the Nation, the President can simply order Federal Marshals to close down abortuaries.” ..... LightBeam
You really need to get a grip on the reality of the Constitution and American History. Defying the Supreme Court and sending Marshall's to shut down abortion clinics for "murder" with Roe v. Wade on the books will only get your hypothetical President impeached and removed from office and a hard core abortion advocate in the White House.
Also, we never fought a war to specifically abolish slavery.
During the war itself, slavery was legal in Union states such as Maryland which abolished slavery of its own accord on 1 November 1864.
After the war, slavery remained legal and blacks remained enslaved in the Union states of Kentucky and Delaware until the 13th Amendment was ratified on December 6, 1865, 8 months after Lee’s surrender at Appomattox.
The Civil war was fought to save the Union.
But, don’t take it from me. Take it from Abraham Lincoln:
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I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free.” ………… Abraham Lincoln, August 22, 1862 in a response to an editorial by Horace Greely of the New York Tribune which had urged complete abolition.
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During the war, the political situation in the Union was such that asking men to die to abolish slavery would have destroyed the Union war effort as even Union Generals were willing to die to save the Union but not to die to abolish slavery.
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“Neither confiscation of property, political executions of persons, territorial organization of states or forcible abolition of slavery should be contemplated for a moment. ……… Military power should not be allowed to interfere with the relations of servitude, either by supporting or impairing the authority of the master; except for repressing disorder as in other cases. Slaves contraband under the Act of Congress, seeking military protection, should receive it. The right of the Government to appropriate permanently to its own service claims to slave labor should be asserted and the right of the owner to compensation therefore should be recognized. This principle might be extended upon grounds of military necessity and security to all the slaves within a particular state; thus working manumission in such [a] state -- and in Missouri, perhaps in Western Virginia also and possibly even in Maryland the expediency of such a military measure is only a question of time. ………. A declaration of radical views, especially upon slavery, will rapidly disintegrate our present Armies. ………….. General George B. McClellan to President Abraham Lincoln, Head Quarters, Army of the Potomac Camp near Harrison's Landing, Va. July 7th 1862
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People with your minset, would, like Horace Greely, have insisted on the impossible instead of the possible.
People with your mindset would have put Abraham Lincoln to a slavery litmus test and Abraham Lincoln would have failed.
People with your mindset would have thrown a tantrum in the 1864 election and insisted on an ideologically pure third party candidate such as Horace Greely and would therefore have given the 1864 election victory to George B. McClelland.
By 1866, people with your mindset would have lost both the Union and any possibility of abolishing slavery in any Southern state for decades to come.
So it is in 2008.
You would rather keep abortion on demand legal in all 50 states for decades to come just so that you can claim moral superiority for taking a path that is doomed to failure but is “holier than thou”.
Whats the point of allowing the voters of Alabama to outlaw abortion when their daughters can just drive over to Pensacola to get all the abortions they want?
To win the battles you can win instead of trying to win everything and thereby ending up winning absolutely nothing.
“He who defends everything, defends nothing.” ….. Fredrick The Great
In the end, what makes you think that Florida would go one way or the other? If the daughter in Miami or Mobile has to travel to Maryland for the nearest abortion clinic, she might stop to wonder if the trip is really worth it and might start thinking that it would be a gift of life to keep that baby.
Huckabee is a decent guy, but politically he’s a lot closer to William Jennings Bryan than Ronald Reagan.
Huckleberry is a Flim Flam man who if nominated, will take the GOP down to a resounding defeat.
I have also begun to think he might be almost as mean as that snake, Ed Rollins, who he chose for campaign manager. Remember when Huck fired his shotgun over a group of reporters? His response was to make an arrogant remark. He wasn't even apologetic. Huck is not what he appears, and he is a Liberal to boot! What a freakin' disaster.
I support and have always supported passage of a constitutional amendment to protect the right to life. My convictions regarding the sanctity of life have always been
clear and consistent, without equivocation or wavering. I believe that Roe v. Wade should be over-turned.
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=11
If he will push this amendment if elected, he should be announcing this in every speech, last nite he had huge press, and didn’t mention it.
Amending the constitution is a huge, huge, deal and effort. And will take years to debate. If he is sincere, he should let Americans know that this is his plan for his Presidency, because it will consume his term. And how will this jive with his getting rid of the IRS, and instituting his "fair tax"? Which will consume his term.
No, the real problem is that you and others like you so overstate your case against Huckabee that you are blind to his virtues. You are then shocked and dismayed when he proves to be a viable candidate. Do you really believe that Huckabee is a nannystater? If you do then you either have done no research or you are just oblivious to fact.
You don’t have to like the man, and you certainly don’t have to vote for him. But if you want to understand why Huckabee is leading in sereral of the primary states, you need to understand what the author of this article is saying.
Ok, if you want to believe that then just go ahead and continue to be bewildered by Huckabee’s success. Fact is, you are so blinded by your hatred for the man that you your incapable of seeing why he appeals to so many. His victory in Iowa was no fluke. Read the article.
So has anyone called him on any false statements he's made?
The truth or falsity or precise definition of Mormon theology is not the issue. I could never believe the Mormon religion. But those beliefs do not impact how someone would govern or affect the Constitution, unlike the case with a Moslem who may have views on Shariah law or jihad incompatible with the Constitution.
You are right that Hillary, like Huckabee, is playing identity politics to the max. Here in Massachusetts, every single Hillary radio ad is entirely female. You don’t hear one one male voice. Ah, those inclusive liberals...
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