Posted on 01/01/2008 8:32:26 PM PST by Jonah Hex
I'm getting a hankering for a retro AR-15 (chrome-lined barrel, A1 stock and sights, slab side, triangular handguards, lightweight barrel, etc.). I found a number of used Colt Sporters chambered in .223 with a 1:12 twist, but I also found a slightly cheaper new retro reproduction non-Colt rifle with a 1:9 chromed barrel in 5.56 but with a round-assist and shell deflector.
I suppose the question is, are there any Freepers with experience on the Colt SP1 who are willing to share their opinions on this rifle?
CMMG. Their 20" K.I.S.S. ("keep it simple, stupid") retro is shown at the bottom of this page.
:-)
Thanks, I will check out the new Wolf ammo.
Everyone here has their favorites and their non-favorites. My deal is, if it shoots and it pisses the libs off, I love it.
We'll forgive you. Many of us like gun porn.
I wonder what TAP rounds stand for. Would you please enlighten me??
I assume you live in a non residential area. I also have an AR-15 for home defense and but I do live outside the city. For home defense I would also suggest a laser sight. Zero it for 50 yards and mount it on a "see through rail" thus you can use the iron sights in the day time and the laser at night. With a 50 yard zero on the laser it will shoot about 2-1/2 inches high at the muzzle, zero at fifty and about 3-1/2 inches low at 100 yards. Center of mass from zero to 100 yards would do the trick. Unless you have shot at night you have no idea of how difficult it is without a laser. Try it and you will understand.
However, for up close and personal a twelve gauge shotgun has a very "calming effect" on bad guys. The following are my suggestions:
1. Springfield 45 ACP 1911 or a 45 ACP by Para. They make good stuff to go on your bedside table.
2. 12 Gauge Shotgun pump or auto, you choose.
3. AR-15 with a 30 round clip.(providing you do not live in an urban area.
With those three above you will have a weapon for just about any contingency.
I have no children at home anymore and I do not keep my defense weapons locked up at night. If you have kids at home lock your bedroom door at night and have you weapons easily available. DONT FORGET TO LOCK THEM UP IN THE MORNING. (Trigger locks suck)
Know the gun laws of your state and when you can use them and when you can not. If your state is a "shall issue" state get your concealed carry license. If you do not like the laws in your state, move to Texas.
Think about how a bad guy would attack you or steal from your at your home and what you can do to prevent it or kill him that is in accordance with the laws of your state. When the dude is breaking into your house it is a little bit late to figure out what to do. Rehearse this in your mind under different ways the bad guys can get to you and your family in your home.
Practice, practice, practice, and when you are finished practice some more.
Never brandish a weapon or use it to intimidate. If you must use the weapon that means all other methods have failed. It is better to flee if you can do this safely than to have a shoot out. If you must use the weapon aim for center of mass and keep shooting until the bad guy is down. DO NOT SHOOT HIM AFTER HE IS DOWN. If you do this you cross a legal line in some states. If he tries to get up and go after you, shoot him. If by misfortune you ever have to use a weapon, after it is over call 911. Tell them there is a shooting victim and there is no longer any danger. Do what 911 says to do to help the victim. You do not have to try very hard. Do not under any circumstances move anything and change anything at the scene of the shooting.
Call your lawyer and do exactly what he says to do. If you do not have one, refuse to answer questions until you do have one. When the police question you tell them you will be happy too cooperate as soon as your lawyer is there with you. If you tell the police anything before the lawyer arrives it should be, "I was in fear for my life and or life of my family." Then shut up. Tell your wife to say nothing until the lawyer is there and also your children. Lastly, do every thing you can to make your property undesirable for a bad guy to consider as easy pickings. The best robbery is the one that does not happen.
1. Alarm system
2. Dead bolts
3. They hate dogs, bit one outside and a little "yapper" inside will do the trick.
The top rifle, closest to the cat, is a Franken-AR in that I built it from parts that came from several different manufacturers. That was a mistake. Note the old, faded butt stock that I bought from a grizzled olt-timer at the gun show at the Cow Palace in SSF. The bottom rifle is a Colt, 1-in-9 twist, and has never given me any trouble in the 6 years I've owned it. We're going to utilize both of them in an attempt to eradicate the vermin feral pig from my area.
I want to come...!!!
: )
It’s a home defense/police round designed to break up on contact with walls etc. Very effective on bad guys while minimizing the possibility of shooting through four walls in a residential area which typical military ball ammo will do.
I think it stands for Tactical Application Police. However, they are available for civilian use.
No! Absolutely not. I tried one a half century ago and it smelled so bad while cooking that my mother made me finish the job outside with a Coleman cook stove. It tasted so bad that my dog wouldn't eat it.
Tried again about a year ago with similar results.
To give away your position and make an easy target for someone armed with an unadorned and simple AK47?
Get serious.
Like the folks said, Tactical Application Police. Available here from Eric via mail or locally, in bullet weights of 55 grains for 1:12 or 1:14 twist M16/M16A1 barrels, or 60 or 65-grain versions for 1:7 and 1:9 twist M16A2 and M4 barrels.
Well, I guess I qualify, having owned several Colt SP1 rifles prior to the availability of aftermarket clone lower receivers, and having built around 200+ since then [circa 1975-76] My personal involvement with the M16 family of rifles has been reasonably extensive, having carried them in situations in which rounds were going both ways on three continents, including my late '60's tour of Southeast Asian spas and massage parlors, during which I went through four M16A1 rifles in an eighteen-month period.
The early SP-1 rifles lacked the raised guard or *fence* around the magazine catch, resulting in occasional dumpings of loaded magazines. This was noted as a problem with the early military AR15 rifles obtained by the Army Limited War Laboratory for use by Airborne and Special Forces Advisors to the Voietnamese Army circa 1964-'66, and was corrected on the M16A1 series...but not on the SP1 rifles sold for civilian and police service domestically. Around 1975, Colt noticed that replacement lowers with this feature were being offered, and in the later 1970s, began to do so with their own rifles. Note too that most of the SP1 lowers use a front pivot pin different for the military that's offset and requires the use of screwdrivers to disassemble the lower receiver from the upper; this too was corrected on most of the aftermarket offerings meant to be used with available G.I. parts. In short: I'd much rather have a semiauto AR assembled from components than a Colt or Bushmaster complete rifle, just as many hotrod builders would rather have a *built and blueprinted* engine they've themselves assembled with top-choice components rather than a *crate engine* or an exchange unit from a commercial remanufacturer.
Yeah, I've got a M16A1-semi, assembled using mostly GI parts on a top-quality aftermarket lower. And I've also got an M16A2 match rifle I built up for NM Service Rifle competition, and I'll probably finish up a shorty for my kid this spring. An M16A1 or A2 is not necessarily my first or best choice for a number of potential uses, and usually not my first choice if rounds will be incoming as well as outgoing. They have been a US military standard service arm since 1967, and and veteran of serious US military service since that time will probably be at least generally familiar with their operation, making the rifle an immediate first choice as a spare or *loaner.* Ammunition availability is good and the cartridge is both a happy choice for reloaders and components are inexpensive and readily available, again making the choice a good one. The quality of military-issue magazines has been spotty, and some of those available on the civilian market are absolute trash, so buy several and choose carefully. Pick up spares for your rifle, maybe even to extend to a complete extra upper receiver and barrel unit, which can, of course, be mated to a second dedicated additional lower if finances and desire coincide. And then you'll have two, and from there, the family can grow, if desired, or can constitute sufficient examples for you to draw your own experience-based conclusions.
And if I can help you with any stumbling blocks along your way, by all means, ping me or give me a FReepmail.
Personally, if I were in your situation looking for the result you describe, I'd do it somewhat differently.
I know this is 2 years later, I just couldnt help myself. Uhaul, you cant be serious. Colt is “politically correct”? Other “real” AR-15’s? What are you smoking? Colt is the real AR-15. Since when can you not swap out parts with other AR’s? I have a Colt, and a Rock River Arms. They swap out just fine. 5.56 and .223 are the same knucklehead. One is in inches (.223) and the other is in mm (5.56). They are the same bullet. Did you really just recommend Bushmaster and DPMS over say(Colt, Wilson Combat, Rock River)? What exactly is a surefire light gonna do for you at 100 meters? Nothing! If you have any idea what you are doing, you dont need all that red dot flat top crap. If you dont know what you are doing, do the rest of us a favor and buy a bb gun.
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