[2ndDivisionVet]

Good, though simplistic analysis of the current situation in the party.

[glmjr]

Saving the Republican Party

Our party can not survive unless we adhere to our basic conservative principles and nominate a person whose values lie in those principles and one that all Republicans will support.   If we fail, history will record the death of the Republican party as occurring during the caucus primaries of 2008.  This is not speculation on my part, but the opinion of many other experts in political science.  Many republicans and independents would either vote for a democrat or abstain, rather than vote for anything less than a person with "true conservative" values.

Take a closer look at the candidates

         Rudy Giuliani is intelligent and has proven himself to be capable as mayor of New York City, however Rudy is a liberal in every sense of the word.  He is pro-abortion, pro-gay, and pro-gun control.  I just can't vote for someone who "cross dresses" and marches in gay pride parades.  He is liberal, no other way to put it.  He would not represent the values of the Republican party and would not garner the support of all Republicans by any stretch of the imagination. Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.

           Mitt Romney is sharp, intelligent and on the face seems to be a good candidate to save the party.  If you look closer you will find that in the past few years he has supported sanctuary cities for illegal aliens, supported pro-choice on the abortion issue, supported gay marriages and was elected governor of the most liberal state in the union.  Mitt's Mormon religion is not a factor and should not be a factor in America.  Mitt may have made a real change as he has stated and may have come to embrace a conservative views on the issues, but he'll have to prove it to me AND that may take years.  Mitt might be make a good president for the republican party one day, but not in 2008.  Mitt should wait a few years and give us the proof we need that in fact he is a "real conservative" as he says he is. The Republican Party would not be united behind Mitt in 2008, due to  his religion.  This is a shame , but a fact.  We would loose to the Democrats in 2008 if Mitt was nominated.

            Mike Huckabee is a good speaker, probably a nice guy and I'm sure an excellent preacher.  Mike is conservative on only two issues, abortion and marriage. He is a populist liberal on all other important issues.  His popularity  base is evangelicals who can't seem to separate religion from electing the leader of the free world.  .  He was even endorsed by the Democratic governor of Ohio, who said that he reflected Democratic liberal views as well as the other Democratic candidates.  He has even went so far as to criticize  President Bush, calling his foreign policy "bunker mentality".  Huckabee is a Democrat running as a republican, no other way to put it.  He would divide the republican party and cause a division from which we could not recover.  He is more dangerous to the republican party than having a democrat elected.  Probably the most dangerous thing about Huckabee is his naivetie on how to deal  foreign policy and the threats facing our nation today.  To put it bluntly, he is ignorant on foreign affairs and the part the United States plays as being the premier world superpower and bastion of freedom.  Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.

        John McCain is a true American hero and I honor and respect him for all he has given in the service of his country during the Viet Nam war.  John is a conservative on most issues, but John tends to flip -flop on the issues.  Last year he and the despicable Edward Kennedy were two of the main players in the Amnesty Bill that Pres. Bush was pushing down the throats of the American people.  Thank God the people spoke up and the bill was defeated.  If McCain was the nominated and elected I have no doubts that he would revive that very bill and the next time it may pass.  I don't trust him to stop illegal immigration and therefore he gets "thumbs down" from me.  He also tends to be a little "hot headed" at times.  I'm not sure we need an emotional "hot head" with his finger on the button, if you know what I mean.  The Republican party would not unite behind McCain due to a lack of trust.  We would  loose to the Democrats in 2008 .

         Ron Paul...can you say "nut case"....Ron has a libiterian view of what the world and the US should be like.  He is so far off having "true conservative" values, he is not worth discussion.  The fringe radicals seem to like his message , much the way people who bought in to Ross Perot did some years ago.  Ron's idea of US foreign policy is for the US to withdraw from everywhere and become an isolationist country and "everybody would leave us alone"  Total BS.  Ron could not unite the party, in fact he would cause a split.  Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.

           Duncan Hunter..... A "true conservative" in every sense of the word.  Duncan is strong on all conservative issues, especially illegal immigration.  Duncan could unite the party behind him.  Our party would have someone that all republicans could support.  The liberal media has failed to get behind Duncan, which is what should be expected.  They would prefer a republican candidate , like Huckabee, which would divide our party and be easier for the democrats to defeat next November.  Duncan gets a   "thumbs up" from me.

       Fred Thompson.  Fred is the only candidate that is conservative on all issues.  He is a Federalist, meaning that he is a supporter of states rights and less government.  Fred is the candidate that there are absolutely no negatives.  He has never flipped his position on any issue.  Fred is the one candidate that would appeal to every Republican.  Ron Paul supporters might be the exception, but most of them are libertarian and nothing short of a revolutionary would please them anyway.  Fred is for lower taxes, stronger military, anti abortion, anti gay-marriage, stopping illegal immigration and less government involvement in our lives, all main stay issues of the Republican Party.  Fred is the only candidate in the list that could unite the party and defeat the democrats in 2008.

 

Just the Facts... check them out for yourself.  America awaits your decision.

[glmjr]

SEN. JOHN McCAIN'S

AMNESTY BILL FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS

Recently, John McCain did what may be unfairly called a flip-flop and admitted the American public was opposed to amnesty and withdrew his support of it reluctantly perhaps to save his campaign for President

                                                         

Senator John McCain who possesses many fine qualities not the least of which is service to country in uniform and incredible suffering in defense of this nation,  supported amnesty in the form of legislation defeated in Congress last summer largely in part because of the massive outrage expressed by citizens that is credited for rendering the Congressional phone system inoperative during the session.    .

The illegal alien problem is the fault of the US government. It created the problem by refusing to fund adequate border security. It has ignored the Constitution and has not followed existing law.

                  
McCain held hands with the liberal Senator Edward Kennedy, (D-Ma)
in support of illegal immigration less than a year ago .  Now he's flip flopped.

What are we to believe?
If he's elected will he change his mind again?

    

 

 

 

 

 

[Maelstorm]

A very good analysis:

Fred Thompson comes from the intellectual and social conservative wing of the Party. These conservatives value logic and reason as the prime driving force behind social issues, and they tend to prefer a more secular approach to politics. National Right to Life, their resident beltway representative, endorsed Thompson late last year. They are regionally based in the South, Midwest, and West, and are often mistaken for (and dominated by) Christian conservatives who tend to have a louder voice.”

We need conservative ideas not hybrid monsters that crawl and slip forward on the slime of an unholy union between conservative and liberal and feed only a slight bit less greedily at the neck of tax payer while whispering gurgles of promises of anything we might wish provided we continue to allow them to feed until the corruption that is in them reaches maturity and bursts forth the unrestrained fully gestated red monster fed by the greed and wants of lazy childlike vampires it calls its children.

[Rudder]

Mike Huckabee hails from the Christian conservative wing of the Party...they favor of a Biblical defense of their views... they feel they will always be perennial outsiders.

According to the latest Des Moines Register poll, Huckabee derives nearly 50% of his support from this group. My question, aside from giving Huckabee the Iowa caucus win, is this constituency large enough to carry him nationwide to the Presidency?

[MindBender26]

Too many Republicans are forgetting some VERY good news this New Year’s Day.

All the media and political concentrations have been on which Dem will win their nomination. And with all that attention, Republicans who have had little good media attention, (Huck, et.al) are still generally tied with them in the polls related to the General Election.

Stop and think for a moment. After Super Tuesday, the Dems will be STUCK with either:

1: A Far-Left, generally despised woman who has been dropping in approval ratings every month for the last 18 months, or

2: A Black one-term Senator with zero foreign policy experience, who was raised a Muslim, or

3: A one-term former Senator with zero foreign policy experience whose major claim to fame is that he was/is a rich ambulance chasing malpractice lawyer!

If Hillary tries to claim foreign policy experience, you will see pictures of her kissing Mrs. Arafat in every Republican commercial.

The Madrid bombings scared the Spanish electorate, but taught us a lesson. Any strike against America will strengthen Republican positions and candidates in the General. Remember, these Dems are tied with Republicans nationally, and no Republican has campaigned against them for 30 seconds.

We may be in great shape!

[11th_VA]

I guess I’m a Fred Thompson republican stuck in a Mike Huckabee supporter’s body ...

[Kevmo]

Here’s a snapshot from Intrade yesterday. There is evidence that Hunter is gaining ground in Iowa.

For the Iowa caucus, Thompson is at the bottom of the pack, Romney has regained the lead from Huckabee. Ron Paul and Hunter are both embedded together, so there’s no way of knowing if he’s gaining ground, but on the basis of the president.field contract moving, I’d say he’s probably at ~0.3 and Ron Paul is at ~4.8, which puts Hunter ahead of Thompson.

Caucus
REP.IOWA.HUCKABEE
Mike Huckabee to Win M 45.0 46.0 45.0 1690 +5.0
REP.IOWA.ROMNEY
Mitt Romney to Win M 40.2 54.9 50.0 1960 0
REP.IOWA.THOMPSON(F)
Fred Thompson to Win M 0.1 1.4 0.1 642 -1.4
REP.IOWA.MCCAIN
John McCain to Win M 0.6 4.4 0.2 860 -2.8
REP.IOWA.GIULIANI
Rudy Giuliani to Win M - 0.1 0.1 701 0

REP.IOWA.FIELD
Field (any other individual) to Win M 4.7 5.9 4.8 1384 +1.0

2008.PRES.FIELD
Field (any other candidate) to win 2008 US Presidential Election M 0.2 0.3 0.2 14910 +0.1

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According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts

Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts

In this poll Hunter is up 3% and even with Paul and Thompson.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=3481ef60-8195-46a9-af04-b87b907bcfdd

[Girlene]

Interesting analysis.

Fred Thompson comes from the intellectual and social conservative wing of the Party. These conservatives value logic and reason as the prime driving force behind social issues,...

I think this is why I've noticed more talk radio/blogger types who seem to prefer Thompson over some of the other candidates. Now whether that can translate into a nomination is another thing, but folks I consider "conservative thinkers" appear to prefer Fred.

[kellynla]

“New look?”

I hope the Gelding Old Party gets a testicles & spine implant before next year!

Happy New Year!

Semper Fi,
Kelly

[SunkenCiv]

Obama: Gore, Kerry Alienated “Half the Country”
http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2007/12/obama_gore_kerry_alienated_hal.html
Posted on 01/01/2008 2:38:15 PM EST by zendari
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1946838/posts

Should Women Submit?
Huckabee Says Yes Candidate: Take Nation ‘Back For Christ’
WFSB.com Hartford | December 31, 2007 | AP
Posted on 12/31/2007 12:55:48 PM EST by LurkedLongEnough
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1946391/posts

Bad Blood at Huckabee and Paul
Time
Posted on 01/01/2008 1:17:34 PM EST by mnehrling
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1946803/posts

Mitt’s flips: Why they matter
Manchester Union Leader | 12/31/2007
Posted on 01/01/2008 11:46:42 AM EST by Ol’ Sparky
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1946775/posts

Latter-Day Skeptics
http://www.tnr.com/ | November 20, 2007 | by Josh Patashnik
Posted on 01/01/2008 6:46:03 AM EST by Maelstorm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1946691/posts

Guns don’t kill presidents, Democrats do.
Modern Conservative | Christopher Cook
Posted on 01/01/2008 1:13:15 PM EST by connell
Phttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1946802/posts

[eleni121]

New York paraState is like pakistan lite... a failed state: corrupt and tribal.

And the Republicans have already nominated Rudy Giuliani...a corrupt and failed politician if i ever saw one. He is directly responsible for a viable Hillary.

http://www.nygop.org/

Funny thing they keep asking for money.

[rob777]

"Fred Thompson comes from the intellectual and social conservative wing of the Party."


I see Fred Thompson as a "Fusionist" conservative, in that he represents the total package rather than one wing.

[Josh Painter]

Actually, Fred Thompson hails from the conservative “wing” of the Republican Party. The conservative faction believes in fiscal responsibility, a strong defense, a smaller federal government and the rejection of social engineering using government as the primary tool to achieve it.

This used to be known as the conservative wing of the GOP, or Reagan/Goldwater Republicans before Reagan left office and Goldwater became a libertarian.