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1 posted on 12/30/2007 4:00:00 AM PST by vertolet
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great article.


2 posted on 12/30/2007 4:14:23 AM PST by gusopol3
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Now we have an equally paranoid Putin in charge, so it’s not over.


3 posted on 12/30/2007 4:23:28 AM PST by Bon mots
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ping


4 posted on 12/30/2007 4:30:40 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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The Discovery Channel or maybe Documentary had a two hour show on this last week. Probably do a rerun again.


5 posted on 12/30/2007 4:32:15 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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"What if the holocaust the world had feared ever since the first nuclear bombs dropped on Japan in 1945, was actually happening ..."

Nuclear weapons are evil because the US had 'em first.
If the Communists had 'em first and the West did not, well the only rational path would have been to surrender in the face of superior weaponry.
Since both sides has had them, the world has had to live in fear of the reckless West and their doomsday devices.

6 posted on 12/30/2007 4:35:54 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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“But the Soviet leadership, with its eye on Reagan’s supposed recklessness, chose not to believe them.”

This is where our Leftist media enters the equation. They painted Reagan as “reckless” and could have caused a nuclear conflagration, as a result. The msm’s hatred of Republican presidents and their unflagging attempts to ruin their time in office does have consequences in this dangerous world.


7 posted on 12/30/2007 4:36:01 AM PST by kittymyrib
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Thanks for a fascinating read.


8 posted on 12/30/2007 4:38:54 AM PST by xJones
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Whew !


9 posted on 12/30/2007 4:48:14 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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Many don’t know how close we were to going to war with USSR in October, 1973, at the height of the Yom Kippur War. USSR was rattling sabers and acting as if it were about to jump into the fray to support Syria. Nixon, for all his domestic faults, was a great leader in foreign affairs. He warned USSR leader Brezhnev that if USSR got involved on the side of Syria, it would be fighting US forces, because US would go in to support Israel. US forces went on alert. Bombers were being prepped, and many took to the air in case the “Go” order were given.

USSR had miscalculated US resolve, thinking that since the Vietnam War had just months earlier wound down as far as US involvement (the cease-fire of January, 1973), and convinced the American people were so tired of war that they would never condone a new US military action, especially one in which the foe would be the ultimate enemy (USSR), it felt relatively safe from any US counter to its adventure in the Middle East. Nixon brought USSR back to reality, and neither side became overtly involved in the Yom Kippur War.

I remember that bit of excitement. I was in the USAF at the time.


10 posted on 12/30/2007 4:48:35 AM PST by ought-six
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I still believe that the closest that we may have come was that rogue Russian submarine off Hawaii.

There is good evidence that it sunk after the attempted unauthorized launch of a nuclear missile at Hawaii.

And, as we now know, the CIA went and raised it.
Or pieces of it.

The above idea is put forth without any background in modern logistics or strategy, so I am skeptical of it.

The nuclear forces do not launch in a vacuum.
There would be massive worldwide redeployment of logistical supports and active military assets, not to mention to complete mobilization of the reserves and co ordination with civil defense.

The war gaming in Europe is a small theater piece in the whole puzzle

11 posted on 12/30/2007 4:48:45 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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Geez. Time for me to change shorts ...

I’ll have a hard time going back to bed (I was planning on sleeping in - thanks a lot) ;(


14 posted on 12/30/2007 4:58:26 AM PST by Edward Watson (Fanatics with guns beat liberals with ideas)
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bttt good read


16 posted on 12/30/2007 5:12:52 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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launched his savage Operation Barbarossa against the Soviet Union in 1940 under the pretext of an exercise.

It was June 22, 1941, not 1940. Also, neither the USSR nor the USA had any capability to sit and watch for silo doors to open in real time via satellite recon imagery, as the article suggests. At best there were snapshots from birds moving 18,000 miles per hour which had to be downlinked and processed. That was all strategic information, not tactical.

19 posted on 12/30/2007 5:14:27 AM PST by 19th LA Inf
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All extremely plausible....

Thanks for a good read this morning!

21 posted on 12/30/2007 5:22:58 AM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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GREAT read.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....

22 posted on 12/30/2007 5:23:24 AM PST by The Drowning Witch (Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:)
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That the U. S. and the Soviet Union had been on the brink of world war in 1962, when John Kennedy and Nikita Krushchev went head-to-head over missiles in Cuba, is well known.

My understanding is that the CIA knew how few functional missiles/nukes the Soviets really had, and that Kennedy knew the Sovets were bluffing, so the dramatic standoff was not as real as it is made out to be. Like threatening an all out fight to the death, knowing your opponent has two broken arms, and knowing that they know you know. To onlookers, it looks like something exciting might happen, but not really.

23 posted on 12/30/2007 5:28:38 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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Then Reagan, successor at the White House to Jimmy Carter, upped the ante in a provocative speech in which he denounced the Soviet Union as 'the Evil Empire'.
It's hard to estimate what a genius move this was on the part of Reagan, this labeling of the Soviet Union as the Evil Empire.

First of all, it was absolutely true. They were an empire, and they were evil.

But more important than that, with the fantastic success of the Star Wars movies (two to-date by that time, or was it three?) the concept "Evil Empire" was out there in the American mind in a big way and it was only a matter of time before the leftists snatched it up and applied it to America.

Reagan beat them to the punch and used the phrase properly before the leftists could mis-apply it to us.

Reagan was a genius. On many levels.

24 posted on 12/30/2007 5:30:21 AM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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Good read, even if it bent on blaming the US if we had gone to war.


25 posted on 12/30/2007 5:42:31 AM PST by EBH (Loose lips sink ships.)
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Bulletin of Atomic Scientists moved its Doomsday Clock

Is that a Timex or Casio?

27 posted on 12/30/2007 5:53:59 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Visions of sugarplums dancing in your head are probably caused by bad drugs.....)
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“successor at the White House to Jimmy Carter, upped the ante in a provocative speech in which he denounced the Soviet Union as ‘the Evil Empire’.”

The day his nads dropped.


28 posted on 12/30/2007 5:54:49 AM PST by GoforBroke
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