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Abortion is murder, but… [It's all about me!]
YNet ^ | Dec. 25, 2007 | Yael Mishaeli

Posted on 12/26/2007 6:28:25 AM PST by Alouette

For some people, ending a pregnancy is the only way to keep on living

Yael Mishali Published: 12.26.07, 00:39 / Israel Opinion

Abortion is a type of murder; I have no doubt about that. In this context we can debate over questions such as the duration of a pregnancy and when exactly do several cells turn into a person with a soul, but I have no interest in doing that. I accept the universal assumption that as of a certain moment, we are talking about a real person, and “aborting it” is a type of murder.

And still, as a woman and a mother, I must reject the religious hypocrisy and politically correct attitude of the religious social discourse, and declare that I am in favor of abortions. I support the right of a woman (or parents) to decide to end the pregnancy because she feels it is impossible for her to proceed with it.

When a woman says “I cannot raise this child” I believe her, and I do not wish to force her (or that child) to embark on a life of distress of one type or another.

I am not talking about other women, but rather, about myself. Despite the regret inherent in this realization, I know that I would not be able to decide to raise a child with a serious defect. I would not have been able to find out during my pregnancy that my child suffers from Down syndrome or a similar defect and continue the pregnancy as if nothing had happened.

As a mother, had my daughter faced pregnancy at a very young age, I would strongly recommend that she terminate it rather than punish herself and the child throughout her life because of the mistake she made. Generally speaking, when a mother of five, or three, or two feels that this pregnancy is exhausting her and the only thing she can see in the future is growing mental (or financial) distress, I completely agree that it would be better to terminate the pregnancy and rehabilitate the soul before any future pregnancy.

A question of saving lives?

The Chief Rabbinate decided to act against abortions. They take it for granted that the vast majority of abortions are “not necessary” because the “life of the mother is not at risk.” I agree with them that if we are only talking about actual death, this is not a question of saving lives.

However, if they take the time to visit psychiatric wards at various hospitals and see the growing numbers of ultra-Orthodox mothers who can no longer bear the burden, if they meet mothers who are unable to love the children they did not want to have, if they meet women whose lives were stopped because of an early pregnancy that left them bitter, if they see children whose parents could not devote enough time to them because their siblings were born with a defect, perhaps then the rabbis would be able to expand the definition of “saving a life”.

When a woman says that for her the pregnancy is a matter of life or death, you rabbis (with all due respect) cannot tell her it isn’t so.

I, of course, admire and appreciate all of those people who are not like me. The ones who raise children with defects with great love, and who courageously face any mission God had tasked them with.

I feel the same about people whose daughter has no chance of becoming pregnant too early, or ones for whom a mental or financial difficulty has no meaning. But even those saints must realize that for us, the simple people, terminating a pregnancy is sometimes the only way to keep on living.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; cultureofdeath; denialaintariver; infanticide; moloch; moralabsolutes; motherhood; murder; narcissism; prodeath; qualityoflife; selfishact; utilitarianism
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Comment #21 Removed by Moderator

To: Alouette
When a woman says “I cannot raise this child” I believe her, and I do not wish to force her (or that child) to embark on a life of distress of one type or another

I'm still searching the article for a reference to adoption.

No luck so far...
22 posted on 12/26/2007 7:19:16 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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Comment #24 Removed by Moderator

To: Alouette

“religious hypocrisy and politically correct attitude of the religious social discourse”

I see those who advocate murder for their own convenience attack others to make themselves feel more righteous about their terrible choice.


25 posted on 12/26/2007 7:22:16 AM PST by DeLaine (Ah socialism. It is so hard to make it work just so. (bit o'wisdom from big'ol_freeper))
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To: Tax-chick

Certainly mentally ill, if not actually possessed. I am repelled.


26 posted on 12/26/2007 7:26:26 AM PST by DeLaine (Ah socialism. It is so hard to make it work just so. (bit o'wisdom from big'ol_freeper))
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To: Alouette

It’s as if the word “adoption” doesn’t even exist.


28 posted on 12/26/2007 7:29:31 AM PST by poindexter
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To: Alouette

The shedding of innocent blood via Moloch worship is what got the children of Israel into such trouble with the Lord long ago. Yet here is this woman promoting a modern version of it in Israel. Very sad.


30 posted on 12/26/2007 7:36:34 AM PST by Cecily
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To: Alouette

Abortion is murder but murder is sometimes beneficial when there are social advantages to it and should be permitted.


31 posted on 12/26/2007 7:44:51 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: Alouette

“As a mother, had my daughter faced pregnancy at a very young age, I would strongly recommend that she terminate it rather than punish herself and the child throughout her life because of the mistake she made.”

Change the position of two words:

“As a daughter, had my mother faced pregnancy at a very young age, I would strongly recommend that she terminate it rather than punish herself and the child throughout her life because of the mistake she made.”

Dilemma solved!!


32 posted on 12/26/2007 7:49:41 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: arthurus

True, but it times such as those, it helps to be in the majority.


33 posted on 12/26/2007 7:52:01 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: arthurus
Abortion is murder but murder is sometimes beneficial when there are social advantages to it and should be permitted.

When is killing the innocent a social advantage?

34 posted on 12/26/2007 8:00:07 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: Alouette

What if congress passed a law prohibiting physicians from charging for abortions. Rather than making abortions illegal, making it illegal for physicians to charge for the abortions?

I bet that we would see a huge decline in the number of abortions that would be performed.


35 posted on 12/26/2007 8:01:31 AM PST by ODDITHER
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To: Alouette
I have come to see abortion as not just a violent injustice against the child and an insult to the Creator, but a slap in the face to every woman on earth.

Why? Because the abortion-minded woman is saying, "There is not one other woman on earth that I would trust to adopt my baby. I would rather kill my baby outright, than place him in the arms of another woman who would love him."

It's a repudiation of everything that as ever said by women about "sisterhood," "women united will never be defeated," "solidarity" and all those fine words used by religious women and feminists alike. It's saying, "I would rather reduce my baby to a bloody mound of torn flesh, then let another woman delight in him and treasure him." It's turning thumbs-down on every woman in your life--- your own grandma, mother, aunts, sisters, cousins, sister-in-laws, schoolmates, friends --- and every kind-faced stranger on the street, saying, "No one else can raise my son (or daughter.) I'll kill him first."

A truly desperate woman could at least wait through the pregnancy, give birth, and then leave her newborn in a church or synagogue or a hospital so he could be adopted by someone else. That's the rock-bottom least she could do.

But "No, I'll crush him instead. I'll rub him out." It's treason to womankind --- and to the whole human race.

36 posted on 12/26/2007 8:03:26 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Pity and Indignation.)
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To: Alouette
I do not wish to force her (or that child) to embark on a life of distress of one type or another.

Only people who can guarantee that their child's life will be completely free of distress of one type or another should contemplate having a child.

If people held to this standard, the World population would be about twelve.

37 posted on 12/26/2007 8:05:12 AM PST by gridlock ("I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" -- J. Wellington Wimpy)
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To: Alouette
I'm willing to bet that for the length a casual conversation this author could very well be mistaken for a real human being.

L

38 posted on 12/26/2007 8:05:36 AM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: arthurus

NOT WITH INNOCENT LITTLE ONES..HOW CAN THIS BASIC
AFFRONT TO OUR GOD BVEN BEPERMITTED, AND IGNORED BY THE
LAWS OF NATURF...THE HELL WITH THE SUPREME COURT IDIOTS,
AND DUTIFUL (?) POLITICIANS WHO SANCTION MURDER !! JK


39 posted on 12/26/2007 8:07:45 AM PST by sanjacjake
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To: frogjerk

I am mocking the author of the original post. It is an attitude that is actually normal on the left who advocate that it is good to kill some people for the benefit of more deserving people or for “society.” I have to remember that many people here are totally mystified by any sort of subtlety or sarcasm.


40 posted on 12/26/2007 8:09:31 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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