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1 posted on 12/20/2007 10:04:09 PM PST by george76
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China’s MSS and 2 PLA


2 posted on 12/20/2007 10:08:19 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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long past time we started treating China as the potential threat they are rather than a favored trading partner.


3 posted on 12/20/2007 10:08:39 PM PST by SCHROLL
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The facility was singled out for criticism in the past by intelligence reform advocates because of its restrictive policies on information-sharing.
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Good Gawd!! The above is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read.
COMINT is not for information-sharing.

After reading this article I’m beginning to believe that we can’t trust foreign born citizens to work in language translation positions involving sensitive information. Both Arab and Chinese translators seem to be sieves.

4 posted on 12/20/2007 10:13:07 PM PST by SatinDoll
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The case led to an NCIS probe that discovered other intelligence personnel, many of them nearing the ends of their careers, who were targeted by Chinese intelligence for recruitment.

Although I would like to say that it is disconcerting that they did not approach the NCIS with information about Chinese probes, it may well be that this is how the NCIS discovered the penetration in the first place - navy intelligence people started reporting contacts.

6 posted on 12/20/2007 10:16:35 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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WHEN THE F*** ARE WE GOING TO PULL OUR COLLECTIVE HEADS OUT OF OUR BUTTS AND CONFRONT THESE COMMUNIST SCUMBAGS?????????


7 posted on 12/20/2007 10:16:38 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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Whoever granted this company the clearance to do this work for Kunia ought to be shot.

And why would a particular facility be singled-out for “information sharing” lapses? That about the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.


12 posted on 12/20/2007 10:29:54 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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Boycott the Olympics... here come the chicom agents to spin this as “friendly intercourse”.

LLS

18 posted on 12/21/2007 3:10:40 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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Naval intelligence officials familiar with the Chinese spy penetration said the access to both "raw" and analyzed intelligence at Kunia caused significant damage by giving China's government details on both the targets and the sources of U.S. spying operations.

Idiots in the U.S. government and USN are just now waking up to the massive threat that is PRC and its PLAN.

19 posted on 12/21/2007 3:50:50 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (“We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!” --Duncan Hunter)
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Old Crow Ping

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

20 posted on 12/21/2007 4:02:11 AM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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Why send personnel to DLI if we’re going to farm translation services out?


21 posted on 12/21/2007 4:13:57 AM PST by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss..)
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Yes, Red China has been successful at espionage here in the U.S.; one of the most damaging cases was that of another translator, Larry Wu-Tai Chin.
22 posted on 12/21/2007 4:27:58 AM PST by snowsislander
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Is the USA the worst major power in history at spying and counter-spying? Every couple of years, we give away the store, but the CIA Station Chiefs do make their diversity quotas.


23 posted on 12/21/2007 4:29:16 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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China ping


24 posted on 12/21/2007 4:30:06 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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disgusting


26 posted on 12/21/2007 5:00:45 AM PST by dennisw (`)
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The spy penetration was discovered several years ago as part of a major counterintelligence probe by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS)

Note......and back track.
30 posted on 12/21/2007 7:35:15 AM PST by BIGLOOK
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You just get the feeling like we are bending over in front of everyone on earth and saying, Yes we like takin it up the tailpipe?


33 posted on 12/21/2007 10:31:54 AM PST by racnpartsales4u ("His sex organs took the heaviest blow," an unidentified nurse told the newspaper.)
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The only presidential candidate who comes out about the Communist China threat, and will actually do something about the threat, is Duncan Hunter!


35 posted on 12/21/2007 2:37:56 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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NSA and NCIS spokesmen declined to comment when asked about the Chinese intelligence-gathering operations in Hawaii.

Embarassed.

I.C. Smith, a former FBI special agent, said both China's civilian MSS and military spy service, known as "2 PLA" for the Second Department of the Chinese military, are targeting NSA.

A little inter-service rivalry helps turn over the stones of those hiding our failures.

"There can be no higher target for an intelligence service, and that includes China's MSS and 2 PLA, than gaining access to an adversaries' codes and electronic intelligence," he said, because it is the ultimate in "foreknowledge" advocated by ancient Chinese strategist Sun Tzu.

Precisely right. This boy gets it.

Getting U.S. electronic intelligence and codes would give China specific information on what is known and allow Beijing to take defensive measures "based on knowledge, not supposition," Mr. Smith said, adding that "it also allows for disinformation to be done with confidence and it basically gives the intelligence service every advantage over the enemy."

Correct...and frightening too. We always assumed that these agencies would not be as rotten as the others. But now, with the galling evidence so Damning to the NSA, and NCIS these services may now be as rotten and defective as the CIA.

36 posted on 12/21/2007 3:29:21 PM PST by Paul Ross (Dear Mary LaRonald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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Ping.


37 posted on 12/21/2007 3:31:05 PM PST by Paul Ross (Dear Mary LaRonald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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Maybe they can make some sense out of our intel, cause I sure can’t.


39 posted on 12/21/2007 3:37:06 PM PST by Cementjungle
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