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Lakota Indians Withdraw Treaties Signed With U.S. 150 Years Ago
Fox News ^ | Thursday, December 20, 2007

Posted on 12/20/2007 5:36:13 AM PST by Sopater

WASHINGTON — The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.

A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the U.S., some of them more than 150 years old.

The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, Mr Means said.

The treaties signed with the U.S. were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Dakota; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: aim; americanindians; anarchists; brokentreaty; cessession; lakota; russellmeans; sedition; sioux
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To: CommerceComet
If the Lakota can claim the land by driving out another tribe, why can't the U.S. government do the same thing?

The Lakota had no treaty with the Kiowa, it was an act of conquest.

However, the US Government promised the Lakota the Black Hills to the Lakota "until the sun no longer rises in the east" as part of a treaty of peace with the Lakota.

The ink was barely dry when gold was discovered in the Black Hills and troops sent there to keep the peace did not uphold the treaty, but defended those who were in violation of the treaty on land sacred to the Lakota. That violation has been ongoing, and Kevin Costner has (had) a casino in Deadwood while the Lakota are in the badlands and scrub of Pine Ridge.

Wikipedia on Pine Ridge

Also Trails and Grasslands.org Pine Ridge Reservation. WHile I am in agreement that the US has reneged its ttreaty obligations to the Lakota and almost from day one, I am at a loss to postulate adequate compensation for that violation.

I seriously doubt that, given the state of affairs on many Reservations, a disbursal of money which will get caught in the swirl of tribal politics will do a great deal to alleviate the problems of more than a few residents. Overall, nothing will be substantially improved in a lasting way. What is broken is deeper than that, and the Lakota, individually, and as a people have to find their solution to their problems. You cannot give someone a functional lifestyle any more than you can give them an education. They have to grasp those and want them enough to get them when the opportunity is presented.

Presenting opportunity to the unwanting or unwilling is often a waste of time and resources. Until the fomenters of racial bias stop doing their people the disservice of regarding education, a functional lifestyle, and financial success as "being white", as if it were wrong for the Lakota, or any other people to be successful in a different paradigm, there will be little improvement.

When the Lakota (and the rest of the Sioux) were kicked out of the lake country by other tribes, they acquired horses and became one of the most potent warrior tribes on the plains.

...and now? They whine like women and wait for scraps from the casino tables, when they could be arming themselves with an education and counting coup in the world of business, science, medicine, the arts, music, and literature. To their credit the warrior paradigm is still found in those who serve in the Military. For the others, instead of embracing a new opportunity to excel, they have decided to refuse it for being too "white"...unlike the horses brought here long ago by the white man.

321 posted on 12/20/2007 11:41:53 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: PzLdr
The mistake the U.S made came under Grant, when the cultural separatists won out over the assimilationists, and the old system continued. Indians should have been integrated into the society as individuals, given citizenship, land allotments under the Homestead Act, and temporay support and assistance in transitioning from hunter-gathering to agriculture [or in the case of the Cheyenne, Pawnee and other tribes, transitioning back to agriculture].

No, Grant's Peace Policy was completely oriented toward assimilation. At the end of the Civil War the west was on fire. During the war troops had been withdrawn east to fight the South. The Indians took the opportunity to attack Whites. This led to retaliation by Whites which led to retaliation by Indians. Chivington's attack at Sand Creek ignited a two year rampage of murder and rape and theft that engulfed the Great Plains and the mountain west.

The country was tired of war, short of money and short of troops. Reconstruction and occupation of the South was the primary focus. Instead of trying to militarily defeat the Indians, Grant sent his "peace commanders" west and focused on a process of assimilation.

To do this he first had to stop the depredations. It was determined to assemble the tribes on areas exclusively reserved for them, temporarily support them and teach them agriculture and trade. Against howls of protest he took authority away from the military and gave it to religious organizations. This was the impetuous for the Medicine Lodge Treaty et.al.

The Peace Policy was contentious from the beginning. Settlers continued to suffer raids and demanded military intervention. The Indians splintered, some honoring the treaties, some openly violating them and some taking advantage of the sanctuaries they offered to raid, rape and murder and then retreat into peaceful populations. The reservations were often underfunded and much of what was available was stolen by the agents.

Several attempts were made to break the power of the tribes by treating Indians as individuals and these generally ended in disaster. Individual allotments were made of farm sized plots. Lack of promised farm impliments and support doomed most. Others were sold at rock bottom prices to fuel drunken sprees. There were few successes to point to.

The Peace Policy finally collapsed into open warfare. Most were already on reservations but those who were not were forced there by brute military power. With this change in emphasis from domestication to subjugation the attempts at assimilation seemed to lose direction and purpose. They fell into a long period of hopeless fatalism.

322 posted on 12/21/2007 2:15:03 AM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Sopater; All
Russell Means has been a pain in the backside for decades.  He joined the indian activist movement in 1968 and occupied Alcatraz Island with a group of indians for 19 months.  His escapades have been numerous since then, the most prominent of which were the incident at Wounded Knee and the ocupation of Mt. Rushmore.  You can read about him at these links.  My take is that he's a radical activist that loves the lime-light.  It's been a while since he was in the news, so this is his latest scheme to get himself some attention.

The media loves the guy.  He's a favorite of the college circuit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Means
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_incident

323 posted on 12/21/2007 5:33:28 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: LachlanMinnesota

“Please tell me about what your great grandfather did to help himself to take control over his life. What was his experience? What time frame was he in?”

To make a long story short, he lived from around 1900 to 1975 and was a full blood Cherokee who was as independent as they come. He didn’t trust nor depend on the government for anything. His family also fought for the South during the Civil War.

In short, him and my Great Grandma (who died at 104 two years ago.) ran a successful General Store outside of Chattanooga, TN. They made quite a good living at it.


324 posted on 12/21/2007 5:49:54 AM PST by ohioman
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To: NonValueAdded
So the war is back on?

No, the State Department will surrender. The UN is probably already on board with Means.

325 posted on 12/21/2007 7:05:05 AM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Lurking in Kansas

Well what about a currency exchange?


326 posted on 12/21/2007 7:22:46 AM PST by oswegodeee (Dee ( Born and raised in the south, yummy corn bread and BBQ ))
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To: Badeye
I have been to the Red Earth, they are many, they include anyone who has even a touch of Native American Blood.

They (the Native Americans) are over 100 tribes in the USA alone and include tribes from the outer islands as well as Alaska, and other indigenous peoples from around the world. go to www.redearth.org.

327 posted on 12/21/2007 7:37:03 AM PST by oswegodeee (Dee ( Born and raised in the south, yummy corn bread and BBQ ))
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To: Sopater

As soon as the welfare checks stop, this will end :-)


328 posted on 12/21/2007 7:39:04 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: oswegodeee

Doesn’t change my viewpoint, but thanks for sharing that.


329 posted on 12/21/2007 7:39:58 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: Danae

I can tell your blond with brown roots.

My coffee cup named Muhammad is now named Crazy Horse.


330 posted on 12/21/2007 7:42:58 AM PST by Drexxell
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To: Drexxell

Natural Brunett, I don’t need anything other than what I am. Youon the other hand...

are dismissed as the fool you so clearly are.

Merry christmas, best of luck to you, you need it!


331 posted on 12/21/2007 8:05:07 AM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha (Smoke clears and Fred Thompson is President))
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To: Sola Veritas
Something definitely needs to be done - I couldn’t tell you what it should be though.

The "something" that needs to be done is to finally do NOTHING. The government has obviously "helped" enough already. Treat Indians like productive American citizens and they, for the most part, will become that. There is nothing in Indian genetics that makes them drunks or dependent. It's the way the USG has treated them, guiltily treating them as outcasts and targets of self-loathing by Manhattan liberals who would trash America at cocktail parties held on "stolen" land rather than give Indians the dignity and respect they deserve.

Liberals love creating victims. Everyone is a victim of something, but conservatives decide to be victims of nothing.

332 posted on 12/21/2007 9:50:03 AM PST by pianomikey (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. -Reagan)
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To: fish hawk

Perhaps a better example would be Lesotho and South Africa.


333 posted on 12/21/2007 9:51:28 AM PST by pianomikey (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. -Reagan)
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To: cardinal4
Right over the So Dakota line, south of the Res, is White Clay, NE. A tiny town built soley on selling the Sioux beer and liquor.

Human physiologies differ widely. I suspect this is just a taste of what the decriminalization of other drugs could have on the larger society. Proponents of legalizing illegal drugs seem to think because they personally seem to handle whatever illicit drug, then everybody must be able to. As we see with the indians, alcohol has a very different effect on them than it does to say Europeans.

334 posted on 12/21/2007 11:29:27 AM PST by fso301
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To: pianomikey

“There is nothing in Indian genetics that makes them drunks or dependent.”

While I agree with most of what you wrote, you need to know something about Indian genetics. Most native americans lack enzymes that detox alcohol from their system. This means they get intoxicated easily and stay that way for a long time. So, they are genetically predisposed to alcoholism. I believe they also have a problem with refined sugar. Diabetes is a major killer among native americans.


335 posted on 12/21/2007 1:04:54 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: sodpoodle
How many Lakotas? Demographics? Population???

Will they be recruiting Al Quaeda immigrants to join their ranks?


Well, it does remind me of one of the characters in Tom Clancy's "The Sum of All Fears" (IIRC) where a disgruntled American Indian joined the ranks of the Islamic group who got hold of an old Israeli nuke and blew it up on US soil (Denver, IIRC). He wasn't part of the inner circle or the technical team that made the nuke but he did a lot of busy work and leg work for them.

Well, I don't like the creation of American versions of "Bantustans" but if he wants to be that way then we must cut off all welfare to them, set up customs outside there boundaries and they should do the same. They then need to come up with some sort of way for a viable economy. If we want to get really snotty about it, which I'm inclined to do, this is a stupid, assinine, idea, we can require visas and passports for U.S. entry. Would bew hard for them to have foreign trade outside the U.S., they have no ports and we control the airspace.
336 posted on 12/21/2007 1:19:30 PM PST by Nowhere Man (RIP, Corky, I miss you, little princess!!! (Corky b. 5-12-1989 - d. 9-21-2007))
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To: Sola Veritas
While I agree with most of what you wrote, you need to know something about Indian genetics. Most native americans lack enzymes that detox alcohol from their system. This means they get intoxicated easily and stay that way for a long time. So, they are genetically predisposed to alcoholism. I believe they also have a problem with refined sugar. Diabetes is a major killer among native americans.

I think they are lactose intolerant too, i.e., have trouble digesting dairy products due to their genetic makeup.
337 posted on 12/21/2007 1:35:07 PM PST by Nowhere Man (RIP, Corky, I miss you, little princess!!! (Corky b. 5-12-1989 - d. 9-21-2007))
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To: fso301
Someone told me it was because Native Americans hadnt been exposed to alcohol until recently (in historical terms). Genetically they have difficulty with it.

Artorius Castus


338 posted on 12/21/2007 3:09:00 PM PST by cardinal4 (http://artoriuscastus.blogspot.com/)
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To: Sopater

Sorry if this has already been posted, but if those states are no longer part of the country, doesn’t that give the Republicans control of the Senate?


339 posted on 12/21/2007 3:27:50 PM PST by Wiser now (Happiness is not an absence of problems, but the ability to deal with them.)
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To: NonValueAdded
So the war is back on?

Yes one side has reignited the war whether we choose to engage them in it or not.

Same as when Saddam Hussein restarted the Gulf War by breaking the 1991 treaties.

340 posted on 12/21/2007 4:02:57 PM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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