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To: Fester Chugabrew
It's a matter of leaving people alone when it is no business of ours to interfere in their affairs,

Okay, let's take a furinstance.

Jefferson must have bothered the Muslim Barbary Pirates a lot by paying them ransom to release kidnapped Americans. So much so that the offended Muslims kidnapped more Americans and killed a few.

Now I realize that since 1544 America had been nosing into Muslim business in the Tripoli area and that justified the response of the kidnap, enslavement and murder of over one million Europeans and the seizing of American ships in 1784.

Again, American meddling in Algerian affairs, killing most everybody we could find, in 1815, caused the seizing of American ships in 1794. Funny how that works.

The final subjugation and occupation of Muslim Algeria by the French in 1830, was, of course the provocation for the implementation of the Muslim piracy and slave trading in 1544.

It happens to be part of reality that the principles we espouse are despised by some people. No need to be nice to them with our tax dollars. No need to police them. No need to set up democracy in their land.

But there is a whole lotta need to kill them.

while overestimating the strength of the enemy.

Any responsible person who studies the history of Islam (or communism) will see danger only in the opposite action.

(Attention FReepers, I am in and out of sarcasm here without tags (watch the dates), as I am fed up with this "It's a matter of leaving people alone when it is no business of ours to interfere in their affairs" crap, we've actually been doing that for most of our history and it gets Americans killed.)

161 posted on 12/20/2007 4:20:22 PM PST by Navy Patriot (The hyphen American with the loudest whine gets the grease.)
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To: Navy Patriot
I have no problem with swift and decisive action against aggressors who would subjugate us as a free people. Ron Paul does not hesitate in the least in stating that our actions in WWII were justified. As for the the examples from history you give, they deserve further study as to the circumstances as well as the accuracy of your perceptions. Do you think Dr. Paul would be opposed to our actions under the circumstances? As far as I know he has said little if anything about Muslim Barbary Pirates.

Meanwhile the enemies of liberty do not only come as warmongers. Do you really think Ron Paul is an enemy of individual liberty and accountability? Do you think we cannot defend ourselves as a people without venturing into other lands to establish democracy?

162 posted on 12/20/2007 5:17:51 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Navy Patriot

One of the best commentaries I’ve seen in a long time on here showing the lunacy of the Paul foreign policy approach. Kudos on a well done post. The sarcasm is well placed and illustrates a great point.


170 posted on 12/24/2007 1:46:17 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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