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Secret War In The Skies Over Korea
Ny Times ^ | Dec 18, 2007 | Andy Webster

Posted on 12/18/2007 6:37:24 AM PST by RDTF

The Korean War has been called “the forgotten war,” and “Missing in MIG Alley,” on PBS on Tuesday night, illustrates a little-known chapter. It describes the rivalry in the sky between two types of fighter jets then on the cutting edge of military aviation: the Soviet MIG-15, used by the North Koreans, and the F-86 Sabre, flown by the Americans and the British.

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The program, an installment of the “Nova” series, reveals that Soviet airmen were actually fighting on behalf of the North Koreans, a fact concealed by the Soviet and American governments at the time for fear of inciting World War III. (This secret may prompt viewer speculation about possible clandestine maneuvers today.)

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All of this, of course, is war-hawk nectar, ’50s-style Tom Clancy, blending digital dogfights, diagrams and period footage to stoke arms-race nostalgia. Then there are the cloak-and-dagger elements: The Soviets’ urgent desire to learn about the Sabre prompted efforts to acquire one, and “MIG Alley” describes, in testimony from allied veterans, the interrogation of captured Western pilots.

The program also depicts the efforts of children of downed pilots to learn their fathers’ fates: whether they perished or survived to be imprisoned in gulags (a possibility some apparently cling to). The issue has resonance for some families of Vietnam War soldiers, and it does for three people seen on camera: a Briton, Michael Baldwin, and two Americans, Ann Bakkensen and Danny Cope. Mr. Cope learns of the discovery of the remains of his father, Capt. Troy G. Cope; the others are not so lucky.

The program leaves you with the emotional impact of people desperately seeking to connect with relatives they never knew. Their need is profound to behold.

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(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: f86sabre; korea; mia; mias; mig15; pows
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NOVA: Missing in MIG Alley. On most PBS stations on Tuesday at 8 (check local listings)
1 posted on 12/18/2007 6:37:25 AM PST by RDTF
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To: RDTF

Based on what I’ve seen on Nova in the past, I’ll be amazed if this show doesn’t have a left wing slant.


2 posted on 12/18/2007 6:40:05 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: RDTF
Cool, every once in a while NOVA shows something worth-wile.


3 posted on 12/18/2007 6:40:08 AM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Jet Jaguar; paddles; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; SkyPilot; RedRover

ping


4 posted on 12/18/2007 6:41:15 AM PST by RDTF (Remember Pearl Harbor)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Yep.


5 posted on 12/18/2007 6:42:22 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: RDTF

“reveals that Soviet airmen were actually fighting on behalf of the North Koreans”

yep, that’s a real revelation there........Not


6 posted on 12/18/2007 6:52:19 AM PST by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: RDTF
The program, an installment of the “Nova” series, reveals that Soviet airmen were actually fighting on behalf of the North Koreans, a fact concealed by the Soviet and American governments at the time for fear of inciting World War III

Pure BS! Everyone knew the Ruskies were up there. MSM wouldn't say it though. Guess why?

7 posted on 12/18/2007 6:55:58 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: nuconvert
“reveals that Soviet airmen were actually fighting on behalf of the North Koreans”

Yeah, this would have been a real shocker...

... if I had waited for PBS to clue me in.

8 posted on 12/18/2007 6:57:30 AM PST by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: RDTF
for fear of inciting World War III

Andy, we lost almost 100,000 KIA in WW III (it wasn't cold.)

9 posted on 12/18/2007 7:05:00 AM PST by ASA Vet
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To: RDTF
WTF. I have known the Mig’s were flown by Russkies for years. I even know a guy who captured a Russian on the ground.
10 posted on 12/18/2007 7:07:55 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Has there been a code nine? Have you heard from the Doctor?")
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To: Steely Tom
reveals that Soviet airmen were actually fighting on behalf of the North Koreans

How about the Russkies that were flying North Vietnamese Migs? Will the lefties reveal that someday?

11 posted on 12/18/2007 7:08:33 AM PST by ASA Vet
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To: RDTF
The fact that Russian pilots were flying in the Migs is no big secret. I read about it in the American Legion Magazine back in the early 60s.

All of a sudden, PBS, in a desperate quest for relevancy, is showcasing this.

Whoopie! (This is not meant to disparage the gallant US and UK Pilots who took control of Mig Alley, or their families.)

12 posted on 12/18/2007 7:10:37 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: darkwing104

It would be neat if there were gun camera footage of Jesse Fulmar, in his F4-U Corsair shooting down the MIG-15.


13 posted on 12/18/2007 7:13:05 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
It would be neat if there were gun camera footage of Jesse Fulmar, in his F4-U Corsair shooting down the MIG-15.

That would be cool.

In my travels, I've met a few Sabre pilots who flew in Korea. Two of them were aces. I am not a name dropper but these were some of the nicest gentlemen I have ever met.


14 posted on 12/18/2007 7:25:11 AM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: RDTF
I hope NOVA mentions that fact that all the following events took place under Truman's presidency
1. In 1945 the US freed S. Korea from decades of oppressive Japanese occupation
2. In 1949 the US withdrew troops from a politically and socially unstable, and militarily weak, S. Korea.
3. The US deliberately left S. Korea in a weakened condition so it could not invade the North
4. In June, 1950, N Korea invaded S. Korea
5. In July, 1950 Truman sent Americans to fight a "police action" against "bandits" in Korea
6. In the last 30 months of Truman's presidency 30,000 Americans died in Korea.
7. January 1951, the severest wartime censorship in memory was imposed. That censorship forbade dispatches which criticized the allied efforts in Korea and dispatches which could demoralize the allies. Officers could not be quoted and casualties could not be reported without authorization. Correspondents were placed under the jurisdiction of the Army and were subject to court martial

15 posted on 12/18/2007 7:27:06 AM PST by syriacus ( 30,000 Americans died in 30 months in Korea under Truman, who had abandoned S Korea in 1949.)
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$5 says that there is no mention of the first night time RADAR jet vs. jet kill by Maj. William T. Stratton Jr., and MSgt Hans Hoagland of VMF(N)-513 flying their F3D.

The crew of the F3D-2 which won the first jet vs. jet engagement at night. On the left, Major W.T. Stratton Jr., on the right Master Sergeant H.T. Hoagland. Notice the single red kill marking on the nose of the aircraft. (From B.H. Kristy's History Thesis, 1995.)

16 posted on 12/18/2007 7:27:21 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: darkwing104

Gentlemen certainly; but, I would still want them on my side in a barroom fight (even at age 80 or so).


17 posted on 12/18/2007 7:29:02 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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The Korean War has been called “the forgotten war,”

I don't think the Democrats want the world to know that Truman sent 30,000 Americans to their deaths in Korea in 30 months*

Democrats probably would like us to forget that many of those Americans who were killed were young draftees.

I doubt that the Democrats want to admit that severe censorship was imposed under Truman or that he threatened to use the A-bomb.

If "the Buck Stops Here" Harry Truman had fought to keep our troops in S. Korea for more than 4 years, it's likely that there would not have been a Korean War.

*Almost 14,000 Americans died in the first 6 months of the War.

18 posted on 12/18/2007 7:42:25 AM PST by syriacus ( 30,000 Americans died in 30 months in Korea under Truman, who had abandoned S Korea in 1949.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Nova has some good programming, but this is obviously an attempt to copy the success of the History Channels “Dogfights” show.

Which BTW, is my 7 year old sons favorite show. :-)


19 posted on 12/18/2007 7:44:52 AM PST by gura
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Korean War news -- 57 years ago, today.

Syracuse Herald-Journal December 18, 1950 Front page

Truman Will Request Extra Crisis Power
Washington (AP)

President Truman told his Congressional leaders today he needs additional powers in the fields of government contracts and organization in order to deal with the world crisis.

House Speaker Rayburn (D. Tex.) said after a 90-minute White House conference that Mr. Truman indicated he would send a specific request to the Capitol as soon as the necessary papers could be drafted.

House Democratic Leader McCormack (Mass.) said he understood Mr. Truman would ask restoration of powers formerly available to the President under titles one and two of the first War Powers Act.

Title one of the World War II law allowed the pesident to "create, consolidate, transfer or abolish" bureaus and agencies in the interest of more efficient government.

Title two authorized the President to delegate to war agencies the power to enter into war contracts without regard to existing legal restrictions. This, in effect, provides for contract renegotiation.

In addition to Rayburn and McCormack, the other members of the Congressional "Big Four" -- Vice President Barkley and Senate Democratic Leader Lucas (Ill.) -- attended the conference.

They said the first hour was devoted entirely to a thorough military briefing by Secretary of Defense Marshall, the joint chiefs of staff and the secretaries of the Army, Navy and Air Force, but declined to tell reporters anything about that.


20 posted on 12/18/2007 7:59:51 AM PST by syriacus ( 30,000 Americans died in 30 months in Korea under Truman, who had abandoned S Korea in 1949.)
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