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Future looks dim for incandescent bulbs (President Bush has said he will sign this nonsense)
Hattiesburg American | 12/17/07 | PAUL DAVIDSON

Posted on 12/17/2007 5:23:48 AM PST by Libloather

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agw; bulbs; darksociety; energy; freedom; ids; incandescent; lightpollution; mercury
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To: Condor51

“It doesn’t make sense to me. Big ones okay, mid size and ‘small ones’ not okay??? And if so, why are only Big Ones okay???”

I somehow have a feeling that has to do with standard socket size. If you need larger than standard socket - that’s “rare”, so it’s OK to sell because there are only a few. But if they all have standard-size sockets, big could be used in small, etc, so many would be sold, which would be “bad” for the environment.


81 posted on 12/17/2007 6:49:00 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Pappy Smear
And people wonder why Ron Paul gets rabid followers

Hmmm . . .so someone is upset about light bulbs and becomes a Ron Paul follower.

Just more proof his followers are even more looney than he is.

82 posted on 12/17/2007 6:49:12 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: itsamelman

Nope, no dimmers, maybe you should listen to Willie Nelson.


83 posted on 12/17/2007 6:49:56 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Thrownatbirth
While driving my SUV to the marina to take a ride on my jetboat.

Seriously though, what’s all the fuss about fluorescent bulbs.

I replaced all of mine in the house and noticed a reduction in my utility bill. Of coarse I have 3 kids that just love to leave every light in the house on with both tv’s, Xbox, computers and the like.

The only thing I notice is that when it’s colder weather, the bulbs are dimmer until they warm up.

84 posted on 12/17/2007 6:50:17 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: from occupied ga
If they are used BASE UP even in an open fixture, then their life is a bit more than an incandescent - again because of heat issues. ONLY if they are used base down in an open fixture is their life anywhere close to the six times incandescent as advertised

Ironically, many of them are designed to run base-up -- they NEED the heat in order to run efficiently. (Unless you're exciting them with a very high voltage "instant-on" ballast, the startup process is more than a bit convoluted. The heaters at each end need to warm up enough to kick off enough electrons to allow "the spark" to traverse from one electrode to the other -- and then, the heat of operation is supposed to provide enough energy (heat) to maintain the spark (the white coating on the glass "fluoresces" and converts the UV light from the spark discharge to visible light).

Likewise, outdoor/cold-weather operation is often problematic.

85 posted on 12/17/2007 6:50:18 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Which brings to mind - what lights our monitors? Will that someday be altered by government force?

I used to get headaches from compy monitors too before learning to push the refresh rate up to 75-85hz.

But yes, I can see uncle sham mandating we all have LCD or Plasma monitors or some such in the coming years.

It all depends on which group of manufacturers can funnel the most money into the pockets of or elected officials as to which it will be. Money might not buy happiness, but it does buy politicians.
86 posted on 12/17/2007 6:50:40 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Moonman62

Talk about easy to break!

When you have to put whole floppy strings up and down within a month, and have to work over pavement (and even any ground if it hits wrong and it’s rock-hard cold), and you’re probably going to step on them - you KNOW you’re going to have little environmental disasters around Christmas time!


87 posted on 12/17/2007 6:51:17 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I think you called BINGO!


88 posted on 12/17/2007 6:52:01 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: TomGuy
You need to abandon the whole mouse as power source concept.

You should follow the example of Jolie-Pitt and purchase your power supply from a third world wholesaler.

Those Jolie-Pitt power cells may not put out much wattage at first, but they will start pushing the power once they grow into the harness...

89 posted on 12/17/2007 6:54:33 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Libloather

I have some bulbs on a timer switch that says not to use with fluorescent bulbs (I think because the electronics in the timer need a trickle of current to run) — what about that?


90 posted on 12/17/2007 6:55:07 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Just imagine a 3 way bulb with the two brightest filaments burnt out.

LOL. Thanks, but I was hoping not to have to imagine that. :)

91 posted on 12/17/2007 6:58:06 AM PST by Dad was my hero
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To: this is my name not yours

Guess I’ll have to keep my led flashlight handy for when my refrigerator light burns out!


92 posted on 12/17/2007 6:59:58 AM PST by shorty_harris
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To: tob2
There are also those very small incandescent bulbs which resemble candle flames for chandeliers etc. which remain incandescent.

We have some miniature CF bulbs that look just like thost little "flame" bulbs. They're only 3 watts, and not really usable. So, we don't use them.

There are SO many "oh, shit! I didn't think of THAT!" gotchas in this travesty... slide projectors -- exciter bulbs in movie projectors (the big theatrical projectors us a carbon arc for projecting the image, but a small incandescent bulb for the soundtrack exciter). The little bulbs in the oven and freezer. The bulbs in the garage that turn on when the door opens (CF tubes don't as a rule like cold weather, and the higher output variety don't turn on instantly -- even the "instant start" type will take a few minutes to come to full output -- they need to warm up before they put out more than fairly dim light, and that's at room temperature conditions!)

I could go on and on... the incandescant bulb is an integral part of our society. They might as well outlaw the doorknob. This insanity accomplishes one thing -- it gets "the sheep" real busy trying to cope -- whether out of a delusional sense of mission, or, out of basic need to deal with the madness -- and, when the sheep are busy with this kind of "make-work crisis" they will NOT be making trouble for Their Rulers.

I'll tell you something else to expect -- people will start using Coleman lanterns indoors -- because they put out "incandescent" light (it's not electric, but it IS incandescent). There will be a lot more housefires, lives lost, etc., because people will be using FLAME lighting more and more, as the ubiquitous, CHEAP, lightbulb is taken away from them.

People who are just scraping by... when "replacing a burned out lightbulb" means "going without a meal" -- they'll simply dig out the camp lantern, fill it up with whatever "fluid" is handy, pump it up, and go.

This is just plain madness.

93 posted on 12/17/2007 7:01:46 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe

...and the bulb in the chicken coop to keep the chickens from freezing, and the bulb in the pump house to keep the pipes from freezing...


94 posted on 12/17/2007 7:09:48 AM PST by this is my name not yours (Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Last I saw these new bulb also wont work with a dimmer switch or motion light so I guess plenty of switches and fixtures will need to be replaced.

That's right. Every standard X10-equipped outlet or lamp (i.e., integral dimmer) will become an instant fire hazard.

Millions and millions and millions of lamp dimmers -- wired, and X10-type -- rendered not merely obsolete, but DANGEROUS by, how's that go? Oh, right: "Stroke of the pen, law of the land; kinda cool!"

Looks like this will be a very profitable age to be an electrician -- and a fireman, too.

95 posted on 12/17/2007 7:10:47 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
“I was running VHO fluorescents but was disappointed with the results - has anything changed?”

Nope. We have 4 VHO and 2 Halides, We have it timed so that not all of it is on at the same time which would come in at around 1000 watts including the pump and skimmer. Yikes!

96 posted on 12/17/2007 7:11:53 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: newzjunkey
The mercury hand-wringing is as bad as global warming hysteria. Modern florescent bulbs are good technology. The old incandescent has had its day. Time to look to more efficient technologies. I’ve used them almost exclusively since the CA power crisis. I’ve never broken a single one and enjoyed the lower power bills.

That's great. It sounds like the market should take care of this, without the government having to get involved.

97 posted on 12/17/2007 7:14:17 AM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: from occupied ga
“Well that’s the point - you can use them where you want to, for now. But with Kongress and King George II in the act you will no longer have a choice.”

That was the point I made in post #25. We needed no law to take us from glass tubes to solid state in our TVs and radios, just good old innovation. And that is the way it should be. Come up with a better product that is cheaper for the consumer, and it will replace the old product on it’s own. You don’t need D.C. forcing your hand with news laws.

98 posted on 12/17/2007 7:17:55 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: this is my name not yours

...and you can just forget about using an EZ Bake oven.


99 posted on 12/17/2007 7:18:45 AM PST by SelmaLee
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To: ArrogantBustard
I'm more than a little annoyed that they're all made in Red China.

Incandescents are made in USA.

I try to avoid supporting the Peoples' Liberation Army.

Don't worry -- as soon as China determines they've got us sufficiently boxed in that they can send the balloon up, the first thing they'll do is cut off our supply of "stuff."

Can you imagine how WWII would have ended up if the USA was dependent on the Third Reich for exports of everything from food to tools to machinery to...

We are the perfect enemy (and that's the term China uses for us in their gov/mil literature -- "the enemy") -- we've made ourselves completely dependent on them -- and, in the process, enriched them, AND made ourselves into a debtor to them.

Who, even a few short years ago, would have in his wildest dreams imagined that we would have singlehandely taken the most backward, decrepit communist hellhole on earth, and turned it into a superpower -- economic and military -- while at the same time, making ourselves totally dependent on them?

It's beyond madness. If it was fiction, just a few years ago, it would have been rejected as too implausible even FOR fiction.

So, don't worry about supporting the PLA. Once they tell the COSCO ships to turn around, you won't be buying any Chinese lightbulbs. Or any Chinese anything. Or ANY anything.

After a month or so, they'll be able to issue terms of surrender without firing a shot. That's what a great enemy we are for them.

100 posted on 12/17/2007 7:20:46 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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