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Penn Prof: “Speak English” Sign Like Jim Crow Era(Geno's Steaks, Philadelphia)
philly.com ^ | Dec. 14, 2007 | Michael Matza

Posted on 12/15/2007 6:28:56 AM PST by kellynla

A hearing was expected to continue into the evening on whether Geno's Steaks owner Joey Vento discriminated against non-English speaking patrons by posting an "Speak English" sign at his South Philadelphia shop. The Rev. James Allen, the chairperson of Commision on Human Relations, was the first witness to testify late this afternoon, followed by University of Pennsylvania professor Camille Charles.

Charles, a professor of sociology, said the number of foreign-born residents living in the South Philadelphia neighborhood near Geno's grew more than 200 percent between 1980 and 2000.

When shown historical signs from the Jim Crow era in the South that read "Whites Only," Charles said Vento's "Speak English" sign had the same impact on patrons.

More witnesses were expected to be called before the commision today and Rev. Allen, the chairman, vowed the hearing will not end until everyone has been heard.

Today's hearing is the result complaints in June 2006 about a sign Vento put in his steak-shop window saying, "This is America, when ordering, please 'speak English.' "

The notice soon generated national media attention, prompting a recent visit by Rudy Giuliani.

Before the testimony began today Vento's attorneys argued about the fairness of the hearing itself.

The attorneys for Vento charged that the proceedings were unfair for two reasons and asked that the case be thrown out. First, the attorneys said, the allegations were brought by the Rev. James S. Allen Sr., chairperson of Commission on Human Relations, the city agency adjudicating the case.

Second, the defense first learned of several commission witnesses, set to testify today, less than an hour before the hearing began at about 1:30 p.m. at the Quaker meeting house near Third and Arch Streets.

Defense attorneys, however, were required to submit their pretrial briefs and witness lists well in advance.

After Vento's attorneys asked for the case to be dismissed "without prejudice," the panel of commissioners recessed to consider their next step and then returned to continue the hearing.

More than 100 people attended, watching the proceedings in the unadorned 1804 structure, with its wooden floors and wooden pews.

Statements by either side were met with muttering or grumbling by the spectators.

Outside, one man held a "Hail Geno" sign bearing an American flag. A group wore black T-shirts with a message that Pennsylvania loves immigrants, the word loves symbolized by a heart.

Making most of the arguments for Vento's team was Shannon Goessling of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, based in Atlanta.

Leading the prosecution was commission counsel Paul M. Hummer, a partner in the law firm Saul Ewing.

The Philadelphia Commission on Human Relations decided to charge that Vento discriminated against non-English speakers.

The commission alleges that Vento's sign violates the section of the city's Fair Practices Ordinance that prohibits the owner of a public accommodation from putting up a sign aimed at "any specific group" to make its members feel discriminated against or unwelcome.

Below the Geno's sign was another that stated, "Management reserves the right to refuse service."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: academia; aliens; business; cheesesteaks; english; genos; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; philly
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To: BallyBill

Two rights apparently left out of the bill of rights which liberal victims are invoking: right to not be offended and right to be comfortable.


21 posted on 12/15/2007 6:50:45 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: kellynla
When shown historical signs from the Jim Crow era in the South that read "Whites Only," Charles said Vento's "Speak English" sign had the same impact on patrons.

First of all, bull shit! Secondly, if they couldn't read the sign how could it have any sort of impact at all? And thirdly, he wasn't forbidding anyone from entering and spending money at his establishment - quite unlike the examples the 'good' and obviously-smarter-than-you-and-I professor uses.
22 posted on 12/15/2007 6:53:09 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: purpleraine

I’ve lived in East Africa, but don’t really speak KiSwahili. However, the second phrase I learned in KiSwahili (after “Whapi Choo” - where’s the toilet :-) )was “Coca-Cola moja, barafu mingi, tafadali” - “One Coke, with losts of ice, please”.

‘Taint hard to do, you just have to be hungry or thirsty enough.


23 posted on 12/15/2007 6:54:34 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Truth matters.)
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To: purpleraine
a cripsy taco shell laid flat or shaped into a bowl and filled with chicken, beef (some dead animal), cheese, onions (which I hate), lettuce, peppers. pretty tasty. At least the way my mom made them.

this guy on the other hand doesn't look tasty... and I am certain my mom never met him.


24 posted on 12/15/2007 6:55:01 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: kellynla

....Folks, please join me in sending an e-mail to the Philadelphia Convention & Visitors Bureau....I told them I WON’T be visiting and spending my tourist dollars with them...any city that hates English is not my kind of town.
http://www.philadelphiausa.travel/contact-us


25 posted on 12/15/2007 6:55:05 AM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: BwanaNdege
When we travel one of the first things we can usually do is figure out the food and how to find a toilet. Surviving is a great motivator, as is eating a Philly cheesesteak.
26 posted on 12/15/2007 6:58:40 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: new cruelty

I hope the animal is dead. LOL!


27 posted on 12/15/2007 6:59:20 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: kellynla

If I am ever in Philly I will certainly patronize this establishment. My kind of guy.


28 posted on 12/15/2007 7:00:55 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: BwanaNdege

Maybe we ought to ask this Commission to demand English subtitles on the menus at the hoity-toity French restaurants... makes me feel so red-neck & unsophisticated (and discriminated against - boo hoo) not ordering the “Sole Meunière” because I think they are talking about Yankee boots.


29 posted on 12/15/2007 7:02:43 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Truth matters.)
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To: kellynla

Mr. Vento’s attorney would have been wise to call a character witness who answered questions in an unintelligible fake language. The attorney would accept the answers and continue questioning in a nonchalant manner.

Hopefully the sane members of the court would get the point.


30 posted on 12/15/2007 7:03:27 AM PST by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: purpleraine

LOL, I guess that goes without saying.


31 posted on 12/15/2007 7:03:28 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: kellynla
Image hosted by Photobucket.com the sign should read,

I Don't understand your Gibberish... so if you want to get what you ask for, make sure you ask for it in English!!!

32 posted on 12/15/2007 7:04:55 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: purpleraine
what is a chalupa anyway?

Ask a proctologist.

33 posted on 12/15/2007 7:05:02 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Another story:
Link:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1939742/posts


34 posted on 12/15/2007 7:05:29 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: purpleraine
Surviving is a great motivator, as is eating a Philly cheesesteak.

You just said a mouthful! < /shameless pun>

35 posted on 12/15/2007 7:06:21 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Truth matters.)
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To: kellynla

Last time I went to Genos, all I said to the cashier was “whiz wit.”

If that’s English, I’m moving away... as soon as I can find a decent cheesesteak.


36 posted on 12/15/2007 7:06:47 AM PST by jz638
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To: purpleraine

Colóquelos.

(Stick ‘em up.)


37 posted on 12/15/2007 7:09:41 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: kellynla

“University of Pennsylvania professor Camille Charles”

Did the professor testify in English?


38 posted on 12/15/2007 7:12:33 AM PST by live+let_live
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To: savedbygrace

The defense attorney should say to the Professor: “If your students started answering your questions in a language other than English, wouldn’t you ask them to speak in English?... Yes? That’s exactly what Vento is doing.”


39 posted on 12/15/2007 7:14:54 AM PST by waimea.man
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To: kellynla

Philadelphia is a liberal hell hole that should be avoided


40 posted on 12/15/2007 7:16:09 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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