Posted on 12/15/2007 2:19:15 AM PST by WesternCulture
To begin with, there are no really poor people in Sweden.
For instance, I’m poor by Swedish standards and I own a car that most Americans, Japanese, Britons and continental Europeans can’t afford, drink a lot of exclusive wines and can afford to rent a château in France or a grand villa in Italy when I go on holiday there.
Swedish wages are on a really nice level and taxes are not as high as most people seem to think. Some people over here are overtaxed, but no one is underpaid.
Another thing is that ‘poor’ Swedes and ‘rich’ Swedes often live in the same neighborhoods to a further extent than often is the case abroad (although there are ‘rich’ neighborhoods, like Djursholm in Stockholm where mostly dollar millionaires live). Because of this, relative prosperity as well as relative poverty is not as visible as it is in many other countries. To a certain extent, this might explain why Swedes don’t worry too much about appearing to be rich or not to other Swedes.
I feel like illegally emigrating there just to see how that feels.
Don’t take puff pieces too seriously - they are designed to make you feel bad...
“I feel like illegally emigrating there just to see how that feels”
- Russia or Sweden?
Seriously, life in Scandinavia is very good, but some foreigners who’ve been here for a while complain about the weather.
Personally, I’m used to it, but I admit it sometimes is rather gloomy.
During summer, I sometimes complain about the temperature being too high, but so far I’ve never felt like it’s too low.
If you ever plan to visit Sweden, feel free to contact me.
I’m not saying it’s the most beautiful part of Europe, but I’d say Sweden has a lot of beautiful impressions to offer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NmpbK2xmCY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKVRZYgVoNs
But if one wants to live in a diverse nation, where the brightest and best are creating new things, failing and succeeding, living among a more culturally diverse population than in any nation ever on the planet, and wants a much wider choice of lifestyles, where the world's new ideas are formulated...
Let's just say not everyone desires to live the rather bland existence this article tries to describe.
“Don’t take puff pieces too seriously - they are designed to make you feel bad...”
- Or to adjust bilateral judgements of nations a little, in order to promote rational analysis of things of common interest to men (like issues of economy) instead of this constant mud throwing found everywhere on the internet.
Sweden is a rich country just like the US, Canada, Switzerland and Norway. The more parts of the world that become like us, the merrier.
I’m convinced a lot of Americans feel they enjoy a high standard of living.
Well...how wonderful to just...EXIST..and mean nothing else..sounds kinda sad really..
Yeah, but the Swedes allow hordes of head-choppers into their formerly peaceful country. They murder and rape and demand special privileges. Until Sweden kicks them out, Sweden is off my list of places to visit.
Shouldn’t there be some kind or “rule” related to Swedish posts??? :)
“and wants a much wider choice of lifestyles, where the world’s new ideas are formulated...”
- I agree.
There are a lot of positive things to say about the Scandinavian countries (and I often hear Americans doing so), but I agree Americans have more freedom of choice.
Furthermore, the general standard of living (from a sheer material point of view) in Scandinavia isn’t as high as the(nominal) GDP figures suggests. For instance, Norwegian GDP/capita and salaries might be second only to those of Luxembourg, but a nice car like the Volvo XC90 (it’s made here in Gothenburg where I live, sorry for chosing such an example) actually costs THREE AN A HALF times as much in Norway compared to the US (at least when you look at the pre-tax price in the US).
In Sweden, a lot of people (but far from all) receive a nice car from their employer as part of their salary, but in most cases the employee has to accept a car of a certain make, mostly a SAAB or a Volvo. But what if you’d prefer to drive an Audi?
“Shouldn’t there be some kind or “rule” related to Swedish posts??? :)”
- Thinking of the sbt rule?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=sbt
That one would probably work.
“That one would probably work.”
- Glad to hear that.
Many Swedish women are blond and good looking, but there once was actually a rather pretty Swedish brunette once (the song in the clip was worthless even in the 1980’s, but Lena’s voice and her looks are of a very different quality IMO):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6osYzTQMEA
The anti-sumptuaries among the Scandinavians are notoroious worldwide and through history from the Late Middle Ages.
- I’d say most people benefit from experiencing poverty for some (preferably early) period of their life and then get more or less well off. But if you are intelligent and well educated and all the same get accustomed to being poorer than everyone else around you’re letting yourself down.
Today, I’m not rich, but I’m much better off than I was 15 years ago. When I attended university in the early 1990’s I really felt like dirt poor. I remember looking with envy at the nice BMW’s, Volvo’s and SAAB’s other people were driving around in. Today, I drive such a car myself and I have an intellect as well.
Many of my friends are richer than I, but compared to what I have seen of human existence abroad, my life is paradisaical. I feel thankful towards my country and I feel like my life is on the right track.
In one way, I feel like we Scandinavians deserve to enjoy the lifes we live (not saying we live better than everyone else) as we are disciplined and work hard just like Americans do. But in another way I have the impression many of us take prosperity for granted. We rely too much on our governments to take care of us. On the other hand, attitudes are changing over here.
Greetings to Alaska from Scandinavia.
“Nonsense. You guys opposed DeLaGardie because, as it turned out, he had a taste for wine ~ he was, after all, from France.
The anti-sumptuaries among the Scandinavians are notoroious worldwide and through history from the Late Middle Ages.”
- Whatever you say, Sweden is the ONLY country that succesfully has conquered Moscow!
“Yeah, but the Swedes allow hordes of head-choppers into their formerly peaceful country. They murder and rape and demand special privileges. Until Sweden kicks them out, Sweden is off my list of places to visit.”
- I don’t blame you for having that kind of impression of Sweden. The stupid actions of PC Swedish politicians is one of the few things that can make me feel truly ashamed of my country.
But, perhaps there is hope after all?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1939497/posts
Bravo to you. Your defense of your country is civil and charming.
Swedes need to develope a sense of humor, though.
- We have made some attempts at humor, but we never seem to advance beyond sheer mockery of our neighbors (the Finns, Danes and Norwegians).
This is how we portray the inhabitants of the kingdom of Nokia/Finland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op68Gh3BVEc
However, that is pretty much of an exaggeration. The Finns are actually very cultivated people with lots of ‘disco feeling’:
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