[WesternCulture]

“Nonsense. You guys opposed DeLaGardie because, as it turned out, he had a taste for wine ~ he was, after all, from France.
The anti-sumptuaries among the Scandinavians are notoroious worldwide and through history from the Late Middle Ages.”

- Whatever you say, Sweden is the ONLY country that succesfully has conquered Moscow!

[muawiyah]

Finland, under the independence gained in the early 20th century fought Moscow to a standstill and kicked out the German army.

It later on took all of Europe and most of America to accomplish essentially the same trick.

Less than 5,000 of Finland's Sa'ami formed the core of the force that knocked out the Russians in the Continuation War (which was a tie, although the Russians did demand and get about half the land area of the country).

The Mongols would have beaten Moscow too but it didn't exist when the Golden Horde was set up.

[muawiyah]

You do know who DeLaGardie is, right? He's the guy who whipped the Swedish army into shape and then used it to conquer all the Nordic countries and to devastate the German States.

He liked wine and fine clothes but your plain clothes type Swedes (who preferred untanned furs and fresh beer) criticized him for his appetites.