Another Bus Attack Reported (Baltimore, Maryland) Video and Pics at Link

WBAL TV ^ | December 13, 2007

[beaversmom]

Patrick Green and Robert Rothe told WBAL TV 11 News that they were antagonized and attacked after boarding the No. 64 bus late Monday night in south Baltimore.

The men, who are white, said the attackers yelled racial slurs and that no one on board, including the driver, stepped in to stop the attack. MTA surveillance cameras captured four men boarding the bus at the Hanover Street stop Monday night, moments before Green and Rothe got on.

Green and Rothe said they believe other passengers were afraid to help and that the driver refused to call for help.

"We were saying the whole time to the driver, 'You need to help us, call the police,'" Green told 11 News reporter Kerry Cavanaugh. "He said, 'I can't. I'll get in trouble.'"

Roth said the driver closed the door and drove away, even though the attack continued once they got off the bus.

"We could've been left on the side of the road, dead," Rothe said.

MTA officials said the driver of the bus is currently not operating a vehicle while the incident is being investigated.

MTA officials said they're not currently classifying the incident as a hate crime. They said they're simply calling it a common assault.

Green and Rothe said they're mad it took MTA officials three days to release photos of the suspects.

Anyone with information is asked to call MTA police at 410-454-7720.

In a similar incident, Sarah Kreager said she suffered broken facial bones and other injuries after she was punched, kicked and dragged off a bus Dec. 4. Kreager's companion, Troy Ellis, was also attacked, but not beaten as severely.

That incident is still under investigation.

[AppyPappy]

Did you maim the ears yourself?

[arthurus]

The left believes self-defense to be a more heinous crime than murder, especially if it results in harm or death to the aggressor. The reasoning I have peen presented with goes like this:

The murderer or other criminal is reacting to societal oppression and it is the only way he can compensate for the repression. The defender owes something to him because rationality gives the defender an unequal advantage in society that takes away from the criminal, that keeps him "down." The criminal's irrationality in renders his actions excusable and understandable. The defender is acting in a highly rational manner. He knows what he is doing. Therefore he is culpable because he is deliberately damaging or killing one of the downtrodden. That makes him evil and subject to punishment. The criminal just needs to be given proper nutrition and access to healthcare and wholesome recreation and a nice house.

It sounds farfetched as hell but I have had this argument with liberals more than once since the 60s including with my old bud who is a long-time biologist at UF with a very high IQ though his intelligence seems to be thoroughly blinkered.

[from occupied ga]

We also have the “Stand Your Ground” law

Another reason (as if another reason were needed) not to live in the north.

Oh any any of you notherners thinking of moving here. YOU WOULD HATE IT. REALLY. People here have guns. We don't worship the police or the government (or at least most of us don't). We think speed limits on the expressways are a joke. We don't have snow (or as it turns out any precipitation). We prefer getting in our vehicles to taking public transport. We still slightly prefer freedom over the government's false promises of security. Most people here if given the choice of a free years subscription to the New York Times or a six pack of coke would take the six pack of coke. New Yorkers and other yankees, you will really feel uncomfortable here Oh and did I mention people here have guns? (Fellow Georgians, did I do a good enough job?)

[from occupied ga]

...The murderer or other criminal is reacting to societal oppression and it is the only way he can compensate for the repression....

Yep sounds very academic. I always thought that there was a stong element of "If the citizens can effectively defend themselves against unorganized criminals, then they wouldn't need as much government and might think about defending themselves against the biggest extortion organization of all." After all the USA grew out of revolution. :-)

[arthurus]

Actually the hard left overtly and the softer left quietly consider criminals to be “social allies” in Lenin’s words, useful for intimidating the bourgeoisie and far less dangerous than people with uncorrect thoughts.

[Aquinasfan]

WHY would the driver not call the Police?

I'm guessing that he was afraid of retaliation. "Stop snitching," and all that.

[from occupied ga]

useful for intimidating the bourgeoisie and far less dangerous than people with uncorrect thoughts

That would explain why criminals are coddled and protected from the citizenry in the northeast (though technically speaking I guess MD is mid-Atlantic.)

[arthurus]

Listen to them. The words are oh so compassionate butparse them down and they mean pretty much what Lenin meant.

[from occupied ga]

Your description makes ga look very attractive

NO NO IT'S HORRIBLE LIVING HERE.:-) You have to live in the Atlanta City Limits not to be made fun of if you read the NY Times. State income tax is 6%, but TN doesn't have a state income tax at all.

[freekitty]

LOL. That’s good to know.

[orinoco]

There is a cable program called ‘BAIT’. Police place a car in a select location where car thieves are know to be. The car is computer controlled and has hidden audio and video.
When a thief steals the car the police track him/her and they also have video evidence.
This bait approach could be used in Baltimore. But then I’m sure they know this but don’t do anything.

[montag813]

No one on the bus had a cell phone?

Or a gun? That is the only thing that will end these attacks.

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[Teacher317]

"We were saying the whole time to the driver, 'You need to help us, call the police,'" Green told 11 News reporter Kerry Cavanaugh. "He said, 'I can't. I'll get in trouble.'"

And it's highly likely that it's not his employers and higher-ups that he's worried about.

[Teacher317]

The solution? Get a car, and let the punks go back to killing each other.

[Rb ver. 2.0]

"The men, who are white, said the attackers yelled racial slurs and that no one on board, including the driver, stepped in to stop the attack."

I didn't watch the video, what racial slurs were used against whites, Honkie or Cracker?