Posted on 12/10/2007 7:29:48 PM PST by familyop
Matthew Murray was kicked out of a missionary training program five years ago for strange behavior...Murray performed a pair of dark rock songs at a concert at the mission that made fellow workers "pretty scared,"...which included a song by rock band Linkin Park...Werner, of Balneario Camborius, Brazil, said he had a bunk near Murray's and that Murray would roll around in bed and make noises. "He would say, 'Don't worry, I'm just talking to the voices,' " Werner said. "He'd say, 'Don't worry, Richard. You're a nice guy. The voices like you.' "
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That’s reaching. He was 24.
It’s like blaming OJ Simpson on his high school education. Doesn’t relate.
The liberal MSM will do whatever it can to explain away why this guy shot to death four people in their teens or 20s.
“Null and void” wrote: “Having people who are on to them definitely DOESN’T suit their purposes...”
Exactly. That’s why I’m exposing them.
You know the one about the patient who tells his psychiatrist,
"Doctor, you have to help me. I can't shake this feeling of nameless dread."
The doctor replies, "Oh, don't worry about that. We have a name for everything!"
demonic possession.
Vacuous nonsense as far as I’m concerned. But if it makes you happy and allows you to sleep better at night to believe in that, good for you.
I used the word, “satanic” while joking about music earlier in the thread. I don’t really believe that any angel has a will of his own, but I am an otherwise sincere Monotheist believer.
What happened is a terrible tragedy in the spiritual sense. Many of us, though, try to find an explanation for it, because we are terrified of suffering and death (inevitabilities of life).
It’s still disturbing to me that ANY person who was homeschooled in an apparently loving environment could turn out like this.
I mean, it sounds like the guy was Just Plain Nuts, and could very well have been one of those people who go off and do this kind of crap no matter what their education or family was like. But still I would like to believe that home schooling in a good family environment would prevent this kind of thing.
Of course, we do have more than one set of friends where the parents are really good, solid, reasonable people, and they have kids who’ve not turned out so well, who’ve made big mistakes in life by not following their parents’ examples. And I think if you asked the kids they would probably say now, “Yeah, I should’ve listened to my parents.”
And it’s true that his home schooling must have ended more than 6 years ago, which is quite a while... shortly before 9/11. A lot has happened since then. I know a lot sure has happened in my own life.
It’s still really disappointing to see ANY formerly home schooled kid turn out like this. I guess I won’t be quite so quick to blame the public schools for the next mass shooter...
I was just thinking about another young paranoid schizophrenic from Colorado, the son of notable Christian parents, who later wrote a book with the title The Disease is the Villain. Anyone else remember John Hinkley?
Assuming his son had severe mental problems, being a doctor doesn't mean that he might have any better luck at getting a family member to go for help than anyone else. Additionally, some psychiatric medicines are very harsh on the body, many don't work on everyone, and the side effects can be very difficult to handle. Some people, even though they follow through with appointments and taking their medications, never find the right combination to keep them well,
Getting a mentally ill family member to follow through with medications that are difficult to take is really hard and sometimes impossible. From family experience, I can tell you that unless the parents did nothing at all, they really can't be blamed. You can't force a 24 year old to do anything, even if they are severely mentally ill. Adults retain the right to decline medication and other treatments, even when they are not in their own right mind.
Ultimately at a certain point any kid can turn bad. More likely than not this kids parents had a lot of rules when he was growing up but never taught him how to make wise decisions on his own. Then as soon as he got out on his own the freedom went to his head and he went radically down the wrong path - this does happen sometimes. Then he either had mental problems or got mixed up in some sort of demonic oppression and turned into the guy we saw do this terrible thing.
Here’s a homeschooling voice (mine):
Sometimes, people homeschool because the children can’t fit into public or private school due to behavioral or medical reasons. They try to take responsibility for their own kids, and not dump them in a public setting where they disrupt other students or don’t do well due to issues in the schools.
I don’t know this family’s story, so I’m not about to condemn them for doing what they thought was best for their child. I don’t know enough about the situation yet.
...on the nature of the “tragedy.” Some of us discover in our later years that we each have a very short life. People of wisdom also find that everyone has a bad day at least every now and then and might not greet us with a smile during those days. ...not to be confused with people who are addicted to rubbing salt in others’ wounds, even though they don’t get satisfaction from doing so (also not the fault of any receiver of bad treatment).
Wiser people can make the best of their short time by doing good things for others—especially when others are having their bad days. Rewards for doing good can be long in coming, but those rewards will eventually arrive.
Right. Like his parents homeschooled him so as not to expose his nuttiness to the mainstream.
Classic case of demon possession.
“My name is Legion, for we are many.” Mark 5
You mean the way the militant government schoolers claimed Kelybold and Harris?
Anytime "homeschool" pops up in an article, it's touted as "proof" of whatever, followed by the usual diatribes about the eeeeeeevillllls of "government schools." You kindly rounded that part out.
IMO, homechooling (in the sense of his parents' reasons and methods) is probably part of the equation for this one. Not everything, but part of why he did it.
Homeschooling is not "bad," but parents can do it wrong, and for the wrong reasons, and it doesn't always produce good results.
I’ll put my homeschooled, full college scholorship, graduated with highest honors, in less than three years, who have never given their parents one minutes worry that they would be in any kind of trouble up against any kid in any government school in the nation.
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