Posted on 12/09/2007 5:23:00 AM PST by LowCountryJoe
[snip]Another question: Why are you so upset about this particular form of lawbreaking? After all, there are lots of laws, not all of them enforced with vigor. The suspicion naturally arises that the illegality is not what bothers you. What bothers you is the immigration. There is an easy way to test this. Reducing illegal immigration is hard, but increasing legal immigration would be easy. If your view is that legal immigration is good and illegal immigration is bad, how about increasing legal immigration? How about doubling it? Any takers?...
[snip]But let's not kid ourselves that all we care about is obeying the law and all we are asking illegals to do is go home and get in line like everybody else. We know perfectly well that the line is too long, and we are basically telling people to go home and not come back.
Let's not kid ourselves, either, about who we are telling this to. To characterize illegal immigrants as queue-jumping, lawbreaking scum is seriously unjust. The motives of illegal immigrants--which can be summarized as "a better life"--are identical to those of legal immigrants. In fact, they are largely identical to the motives of our own parents, grandparents and great-grandparents when they immigrated. And not just that. Ask yourself, of these three groups--today's legal and illegal immigrants and the immigrants of generations ago--which one has proven most dramatically its appreciation of our country? Which one has shown the most gumption, the most willingness to risk all to get to the U.S. and the most willingness to work hard once here? Well, everyone's story is unique. But who loves the U.S. most? On average, probably, the winners of this American-values contest would be the illegals, doing our dirty work under constant fear of eviction,...
(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...
No flaming at you....
Just another article pushing the pro-illegal/anti-American agenda.
If no one posted these leftists’ articles here at FR, I wouldnt know what these goofballs were saying.
Let the flaming directed at me begin!
....... did you write the article?
Why are you really Mike Kinsley?
It is always interesting to read these holier than thou secularists preach law and order to US. Lowlife finger pointing accusers what a bunch of purists.....!!!!
The best thing to do is to look at it this way. Would you leave your door to your home unlock and let any one come in, regardless if you knew them or not? The answer is no.
Absolute textbook example of the thinking of a phony pseudo-intellectual fraud who is too stupid to realize it. He is at once a fraud and the victim of a fraud: for years he has surrounded himself with people of his own ilk, who tell him how smart he is (while he tells them how smart they are). He actually thinks he's clever!
the immigrants were not criminals to begin with, foisted upon us by Latin American countries,
the immigrants were able to work and support their families rather than be supported by government programs,
the immigrants and their employers were subject to the same laws and protections the rest of us are.
Ditto
Typical of the anti-American left-wingers at Time. They want to destroy our country and make it into a Socialist dictatorship and that is the way it is and has been for some time. They would like for the real Americans to be destroyed and the Left take over as did Hitler and Stalin.
Hell no, far from it. Kinsley a redistributionist and a so-called progressive. But on this immigration point, I happen to side with his position. The question he raises is a good one and I'd like to see it answered by the pitchfork wielding crowd.
Author is moron. No problem here with LEGAL immigration. In fact, I would support laws allowing the immediate immigration of one legal on the “waiting list” for every two illegals deported.
Thishere lifeboat is fast filling up.
Riiight up to themthere gunnels, in fact.
Glub, glub..........................
To him, a flood of aliens pouring into the country with very few restrictions is just the same kind of problem as going faster than 55 mph on the freeway.
He doesn't see any problem with whole swaths of our neighborhoods with a separate laguage, culture and value system. He doesn't see a problem with youth gangs proliferating, school systems loaded with non-English speaking kids and little drive to learn, or hospital emergency rooms loaded 24/7 with indigent patients - as long as his lawn gets mowed inexpensively.
The issue isn't immigration - it's flooding. Uncontrolled, unregulated, and unstoppable flooding and the inescapable damage that is occurring unless this flood is brought under control.
Liberal princes like this writer don't see a problem with separate communities springing up all over the country - but I'm sure he hasn't visited some of the communities in the Southwest where he wouldn't be understood or welcomed.
Just as long as his investment portfolio is doing well and his agenda is followed, what else matters?
Just more self-loathing liberal white bread hating on the bakery that made him.
One tends to tire of leftist screeders sucking the sweet milk of freedom while cursing the cow.
“So-called racists sexists homophobes agree,
this is what the left thinks of we.
And what do we do to deserve such grief?
Spend all our time defending the country!”
Opposite argument. Let's stop all immigration/visas for 5-10 years.
Then let us do background checks at the immigrant's expense. Many currently pay human-trafficing scumbags to bring them here anyway, why not get some revenue in to offset the enforcement costs. In fact, why not ask illegals currently here to pay up for background checks and criminal fines in exchange for legal status and a life of being less paranoid. We could actually save in enforcement costs and raise revenue at the same time.
the immigrants were able to work and support their families rather than be supported by government programs,
Yes! And while were at it, could we also ask the same of many of our fellow Americans, too?
the immigrants and their employers were subject to the same laws and protections the rest of us are. That's could be a catch22. Especially when you talk of protections. It also depends on the status we wish to grant: right to work here versus citizenship. Remember, if the laws and protections are equally applied, so is the access to welfare, unfortunately.
Micheal Kinsley is a lying sack of filth and anything that comes from his mouth or pen is only done in order to break America.
As a Klingon delegation once patiently explained to a bunch of pacifists attempting to prevent Earth’s entry into the Federation, an empire either expands or it dies. Same goes with civilizations. America either continues to grow or it goes the same as Europe.
The problem with illegal immigration is that it gives the polity no choice with regard to continuing the essential and fundamental characteristics that current members of the polity have invested in creating, improving, and maintaining. As we see happening throughout Europe, the names and the physical locations of towns, cities, and countries remain the same, but the people who made those nations great (or mediocre or bad) are now marginalized, wondering what happened to their country.
Consequently, where you stand on the amount of immigration depends upon what you believe to be the core values of America that are worth preserving at all costs. If you believe the “essence” of America is just a “land of opportunity”, then of course you prefer unlimited immigration. Unlimited immigration means that the new immigrants will be beholden to whatever party or politician made and makes it possible for them to come here and have opportunity. That means a continued power base for the pols, even though over time it will change the character of the polity and ultimately reduce the opportunities that attracted people in the first place.
If you believe America was founded upon Lockean conceptions of individual freedom and responsibility, the you should favor increasing immigration to the maximum extent at which it is still possible to bring people on board AS AMERICANS. That’s probably a lot more than we currently are taking legally.
Mr. Kinsley needs to get outside of his bubble.
I know libs - the ones with kids in the public school system - who are absolutely fed-up with having classrooms that have to cater to multiple languages.
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