Posted on 12/07/2007 4:41:44 PM PST by Conservababe
I am in a debate with people who know nothing about Kerry's refusal to release his war records. What is the technical name for this disclosure?
Your best bet is to go to a bookstore or Amazon and buy “Unfit for Command” by John O’Neill. It’s authoritative and well documented and referenced. Much of the evidence includes Lurch’s own words. After you’re done reading it, highlight the areas you are most interested in and show it to them.
Or....you can always tell your debate opponents that Kerry’s valor in ‘nam was as real as Rather’s TANG Memos.
Heh. I should have excerpted and then posted the link as you did.
The records we have seen are a sanitized version of what he wanted released. BTW, I just ordered this book http://tosettherecordstraight.com/index.php\ Which might shed some more light on Kerry’s phony record.
“SF 180 (Standard Form 180) he must sign it and it authories the release of his complete personnel and medical files.”
He has to sign it and submit it. He claims he’s signed it already.
If I remember correctly, he signed the SF 180, but did not authorize ALL his records, including medical, to be released. He then sent them to the wrong archive to further the PHONEY release agenda.
Those that were released were sent to his good buddy at the Boston Glob. Again, this is strictly from memory. I cannot access my files at this time.
Just say this.
3 Purple Hearts. No stitches. Zero. Zip. Nada.
Not only must he sign it, he must specifically designate that *anyone*, or even just any journalist, can have access to *all* of his records.
It's possible to only give some persons access, which he has done, or to limit access, whether to some or to all, to only part of the records. He gave access *only* to friendly reporters from, IIRC, the Boston Globe and LA Times.
"From other posts of mine: .............. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/kerry_allows_navy_release_of_military_medical_records/
Here ya go, Kerry signed his 180 for full release (to Kranish) on May 20, 2005. Nobody but Kranish has it, and he read everything and found nothing new, just more praises and laurels for Jon. WE don't get to see it but the Boston Globe has it all locked away somewhere.
But, Jon Carry can honestly rebut your demand by stating that he DID "sign the 180" on May 20, 2005.
"The evil Swiftboaters are after me again..."
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They WERE released in proper accordance with the SF 180- and he filed with the proper agency- but did not release to the public. He can do that.
The person holding the data is that Globe reporter, not Kerry! Kerry put onto his release forms that everything went to Kranish (and if you read the article, the only thing Kranish says is that there are many more commendations than Kerry had mentioned).
The Globe guy is the one who must release them to the public. He is under no obligation to either release, or keep them, he can shred them if he wants to or has wanted to since 2005.
Kerry was clever in doing this, he signed the 180, released his records, and now it’s not his fault nor responsibility if we can’t pore over them in detail.
210 posted on 11/12/2007 2:57:03 PM CST by DBrow "
He has signed at least a couple of SF 180s. However he only granted access to friendly reporters, not the general public, or the general media.
The US Navy Bureau of Personnel, or BUPERS.
That’s actually very good advice. No beer on hand but I do have some Jim Beam.
The sun is well over the yard arm. Or it would be if there was sun showing through the clouds today, and I had a ship, and the ship had sails.
You know what I mean.
Catch y’all later. I’m gonna go get less sober.
Yes he has, and he or his spokesmen will tell you that. They won't tell that he only granted access to friendly reporters, not to the general public.
Thanks! I was just going to get the link. I ordered a few of them today. ;*)
Some things to bear in mind as you debate these people:
** Purple Hearts that are truly earned are very rarely questioned, as the wounds are serious and the scars lasting.
** Purple Hearts that are awarded for lesser wounds usually have to be 'pushed' for, be that by a zealous commander who wants to reward his men or a person trying to satisfy his own ego.
** Three PH's, allowing a 'man' to leave the combat area, all given for lesser wounds requires a very rare and despicable person, who had to push three times for a PH, and then push again for his release.
Side story:
My brother in law served a tour in Vietnam in '67-'68 and received three minor wounds (bullet graze, shrapnel graze and pun-gee (sp?) stick). No PH was awarded to him. He also says he could never ask for one for those wounds after seeing some of the guys who truly deserved them.
My B-I-L despises Kerry.
Only if he so designates on the form. He can authorize a limited release, or a release only to a limited number of people, say 1 or 2 friendly reporters. Friendly to him, not to the United States.
Just a little tweak. ;*)
He presumably has, but he only authorized release to a very friendly (to him) reporter or three.
I used to wonder why he would push for three purple hearts for minor wounds as his ticket out of combat so soon after he volunteered to go there.
Then I heard a story (which I have never verified, so maybe you should check first):
Apparently Kerry never intended to go in to any actual combat. First he served on a ship off the shore, and then volunteered for swift boat duty. However (as I understand it) the mission of the swift boats changed with unfortunate timing for him, going further inland where the fighting was. Which he had not anticipated when he volunteered.
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