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Sure. I’ll give you the short answers and you can study up on why I believe thusly by examining my writings where I explain why I believe as I do. Deal?

1. Does God have a father?

Yup. An aseitically static deity cannot suddenly change into a dynamic God. http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/bicycleroad/21/id76.htm

2. Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

Yup. So are we. We are all God’s spirit offspring with Christ as the Firstborn (prototokos). http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/bicycleroad/21/id154.htm

3. Was the Garden of Eden in Missouri?

Don’t know. Mormons have very different beliefs on the literalness of the first chapters of the Bible (I certainly don’t - I think the entire Garden of Eden and global deluge are myths designed to teach important spiritual messages). Many early Mormons and leaders believed it was in Missouri despite the lack of a specific revelation explicitly stating such.

All we have are the “Adam-ondi-Ahman” passages in Daviess County Missouri and the future placement of New Jerusalem in the area.

The ONLY revelation linking the place to the Garden of Eden is D&C 116:1:

Spring Hill is named by the Lord Adam-ondi-Ahman, because, said he, it is the place where Adam shall come to visit his people, or the Ancient of Days shall sit, as spoken of by Daniel the prophet.

The issue is, what does “it” refer to? Does it refer to Spring Hill or to Adam-ondi-Ahman, the land where the Garden of Eden was located (D&C 107:53)?

Spring Hill (Missouri) was named “Adam-ondi-Ahman” AFTER the valley where Adam dwelt where he is supposed to return in the future. Kinda like Toledo Ohio is named after Toledo Spain or London Ohio is named after London England. Thus, “it” more than likely refers to the original Adam-ondi-Ahman and not to Spring Hill (IMO).

The early Mormon leaders ASSUMED the original Adam-ondi-Ahman was in Missouri but the revelation doesn’t really say that. (Kinda like the Word of Wisdom’s “hot drinks” which was interpreted to mean coffee and tea whereas that’s not what the revelation says. I happen to think “hot drinks” is in reference to the temperature of the beverages - which HAVE been proven to be very harmful to the linings of the stomach and throat. Despite this personal belief - I still don’t drink coffee or tea).

Still, if there really was a global flood (despite the lack of any physical evidence), there’s no way the ark would’ve stayed in the same region of the world, given global currents and wind patterns. Where did the ark ORIGINATE? We know it landed in the Near East, and the survivors named the region after places they knew. Isn’t it then possible they could’ve originated in ancient America?

Like I said, I do not believe in a literal Garden of Eden or global flood, but it certainly is possible for the Garden of Eden to be located in Missouri where it floated to the Near East during the Great Flood.

Fair’s fair. Will you answer my questions now?

The link at #1 in the pinged to post you might find interesting to read. You will quickly see why I use a more ‘geometric’ explanation for dimension Time, Occam’s razor being so sharp and all ... don’t tell Timothy though sister birds, he might awaken that pesky frog.

You should make it clear this is your own understanding!

1. Does God have a father?

Yup. An aseitically static deity cannot suddenly change into a dynamic God. http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/bicycleroad/21/id76.htm

2. Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

Yup. So are we. We are all God’s spirit offspring with Christ as the Firstborn (prototokos). http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/bicycleroad/21/id154.htm

What are THOSE 'references'???

They aren't MORMON SCRIPTURE!!

How can we believe that stuff??

--MormonDude(Ya got give it to these Gentiles straight or they won't believe it!)

Still, if there really was a global flood (despite the lack of any physical evidence), there’s no way the ark would’ve stayed in the same region of the world, given global currents and wind patterns.

Where did the ark ORIGINATE?

We know it landed in the Near East, and the survivors named the region after places they knew.

Isn’t it then possible they could’ve originated in ancient America?

Bible Scholar time!

Genesis 2:10-15
10. A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters.
11. The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold.
12. (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin and onyx are also there.)
13. The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.
14. The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. (We know approximately where this area is today.)

Genesis 5:1-32
1. This is the written account of Adam's line. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.
2. He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them "man. "
3. When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.
4. After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.
5. Altogether, Adam lived 930 years, and then he died.
6. When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the father of Enosh.
7. And after he became the father of Enosh, Seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.
8. Altogether, Seth lived 912 years, and then he died.
9. When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan.
10. And after he became the father of Kenan, Enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.
11. Altogether, Enosh lived 905 years, and then he died.
12. When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel.
13. And after he became the father of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and had other sons and daughters.
14. Altogether, Kenan lived 910 years, and then he died.
15. When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared.
16. And after he became the father of Jared, Mahalalel lived 830 years and had other sons and daughters.
17. Altogether, Mahalalel lived 895 years, and then he died.
18. When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch.
19. And after he became the father of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.
20. Altogether, Jared lived 962 years, and then he died.
21. When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah.
22. And after he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters.
23. Altogether, Enoch lived 365 years.
24. Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
25. When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech.
26. And after he became the father of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and had other sons and daughters.
27. Altogether, Methuselah lived 969 years, and then he died.
28. When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son.
29. He named him Noah and said, "He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the LORD has cursed."
30. After Noah was born, Lamech lived 595 years and had other sons and daughters.
31. Altogether, Lamech lived 777 years, and then he died.
32. After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth.

130 + 105 + 90 + 70 + 65 + 162 + 65 + 187 + 182 + 500 = 1556 years

So how far would 10 generations living 1556 years have traveled since Adam? How much land would they need?

It's not recorded; is it?

We could GUESS and THEORIZE and ASSUME, but, in reality, we'd have to say that, "We don't know."

...and the survivors named the region after places they knew. <--- this is a GUESS, and THEORY and an ASSUMPTION.