No, the problem is you create a definition for what a “Christian” is that is designed to exclude Mormons from the term DESPITE such a criteria is ABSENT in the Bible.
Why not just stick to what the Bible says?
According to the Bible, a “Christian” is someone who believes Jesus Christ is:
The Savior.
The Redeemer.
The Messiah.
The Lamb of God.
The Son of God.
God.
The I AM.
The Son of Man.
Born of a virgin.
The First/Last.
The Creator.
The Paraclete/ Advocate/ Comforter.
The Mediator/ Intercessor/ Reconciler.
He died for our sins.
He died on the cross.
He rose from the dead.
The Judge.
The Foundation.
The Rock.
The only Begotten Son of God.
Worshiped.
The name used to pray to the Father.
Obeyed.
We take upon ourselves his name.
The only source of Salvation and the greatest name possible
THAT’S IT!
Each of these beliefs are explicitly believed and taught by Mormonism and can be found in the Latter-day Scriptures (http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/bicycleroad/21/id108.htm)
If we just limit ourselves to the Bible, there can be NO doubt Mormons are Christians.
Anyone who disagrees is dishonest, and yes, a bigot.
“If we just limit ourselves to the Bible, there can be NO doubt Mormons are Christians.”
If only Mormons meant the same thing as Christians when they use those words, I’d agree with you Edward.
Keep in mind that Christianity is more than just the Bible. Catholics, for example, were around before the New Testament was ever written.
Are you KIDDING me? Mormonism teaches that Jesus is the first creator? I guess it depends on the meaning of the word first.
The Temple ceremony covers this. Mormons believe the gods created earth, but then too, they believe the earth was fashioned by the gods from material that existed previous to the creation.
THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM
TRANSLATED FROM THE PAPYRUS, BY JOSEPH SMITH
CHAPTER 4
The Gods plan the creation of the earth and all life thereon—Their plans for the six days of creation are set forth.
1 And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the aGods, borganized and formed the cheavens and the earth.
2 And the earth, after it was formed, was empty and desolate, because they had not formed anything but the earth; and adarkness reigned upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of the Gods bwas brooding upon the face of the waters.
Watson, Are you lying on purpose, or are you simply an uneducated on Mormon beliefs?
If Jesus is the The Paraclete/ Advocate/ Comforter.
Then who is the third member of the Godhead?
1 the person of God
2 the person of Christ
3 the person of the Holy Ghost
Three seperate and distint being with one purpose:
Godhead
The Church’s first article of faith states, “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.” These three beings make up the Godhead. They preside over this world and all other creations of our Father in Heaven.
Additional Information
The true doctrine of the Godhead was lost in the apostasy that followed the Savior’s mortal ministry and the deaths of His Apostles. This doctrine began to be restored when 14-year-old Joseph Smith received his First Vision (see Joseph Smith—History 1:17). From the Prophet’s account of the First Vision and from his other teachings, we know that the members of the Godhead are three separate beings. The Father and the Son have tangible bodies of flesh and bones, and the Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit (see D&C 130:22).
Although the members of the Godhead are distinct beings with distinct roles, they are one in purpose and doctrine. They are perfectly united in bringing to pass Heavenly Father’s divine plan of salvation.
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you”
Comforter
See Holy Ghost
from lds.org
Not one thing on your list is beyond the reach of a demon to profess. What you failed to list was that Salvation is ONLY by the unmerited favor of God to deliver the human spirit from Sin and transform the individual soul from sin and death. Faith ing daily in His deliverance of you means you don’t get any merit badges for ‘all that you can do’ however, which might just make the eye of that needle hard to squeeze through for you Mormon zealots.
You were sayings — “No, the problem is you create a definition for what a “Christian” is that is designed to exclude Mormons from the term DESPITE such a criteria is ABSENT in the Bible.”
Well, I would agree that Christians have created definitions from what they have gotten from the Bible, which are designed — very specifically — to *exclude* certain others from being called “Christian”. That is very much so, the actual truth.
They call it separating truth from error in the teachings and doctrines of Christianity. And it is done in a systematic way — like “systematic theology” that one would get in a Christian seminary.
They have “separated out” — by definitions and theological precision being assigned to certain words in Christian theology — which endows them with certain and precise meanings. So, what you have (with some) is a loose usage of terminology, mean to “slide into” a vocabulary which “sounds” good — but — when analyzed for the *distinct meanings* — one find completely and radically different meanings attached to those words.
And thus, the resulting “theology” is radically different. Systematic theology as taught in many Christian seminaries around the country bear *absolutely no resemblance* — in the slightest degree — to *anything* resembling Mormonism.
It’s just *too amazing* to hear a Mormon, who supposedly knows these things, actually making a kind of claim that one would actually recognize Mormon doctrine inside of a Christian seminary. That’s an absolute “laugh a minute” if you really expect *anyone* to believe that. LOL!
And speaking of “sticking to the Bible” — that’s just plain deception on your part, because a lot of the Mormon doctrine does *not* come from the Bible — at all. You’re using your other authoritative sources (that y’all recognize but no other basic, historic and fundamental Christian school, seminary or church does.
If you go just on the basis of that *one thing alone* — that you accept several *other* sources of authority for your theology — that alone would totally disqualify the resulting theology from being considered “Christian teaching” in any shape, manner or form.
I still don’t know why y’all cannot be honest enough to admit your own theology. What is the matter with your theology such that you cannot admit to it? That fact alone — that y’all cannot admit to your own theology puts a big question mark on it.
Regards,
Star Traveler
Because then there would be no use for:
The Book of Mormon
The Pearl of Great Price
The Doctrines and Covenants
the pronouncements of the Living Prophet...
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In June 1830, Joseph Smith began translating the King James version of the Bible. However, this translation was not a literal translation from one language to another. It was actually revelation that Joseph Smith received concerning truths that had been lost or changed in the Bible. Joseph Smith had learned from 1 Nephi 13:20-39 and Moses 1:40-41 that important pieces of the Bible manuscript had been removed long before it was available to anyone to translate. Moses 1:40-41 states, “And now, Moses, my son, I will speak unto thee concerning this earth upon which thou standest; and thou shalt write the things which I shall speak. And in a day when the children of men shall esteem my words as naught and take many of them from the book which thou shalt write, behold, I will raise up another like unto thee; and they shall be had again among the children of men—among as many as shall believe.” The Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible restores many truths about the creation, fall of Adam, Cain and many other truths. Significant additions that the JST makes to the Bible is the age of accountability being eight years old, an extensive history of the prophet Melchizedek and the Melchizedek Priesthood, and information about he prophet Enoch. The translation took Joseph Smith three years to complete and he continued preparing it for printing until his death in 1844. His translation included 477 pages of manuscript and a King James Bible with notations in it. The manuscript was mostly written by scribes including Oliver Cowdery, John Whitmer, and Sidney Rigdon. Sydney Rigdon appears to have been the principal scribe. The Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible is not the official Bible of the Church, but insights that it adds to the Bible are included in the footnotes of the King James Version of the Bible that the LDS people use.
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Anyone who disagrees is dishonest, and yes, a bigot.
Anyone who disagrees is blind, and yes, possibly lost.