How and Why Romney Bombed

TCS ^ | 12/7/6/7 | Lee Harris

[ZGuy]

Lots of pro-Romney speech threads here, so here's one not so favorable. Hugh Hewitt's blog review was also very favorable to Mitt, but Hugh's writings were described as "bizarre" over at Red State.

I found it humorous that Hugh, who is the biggest cheerleader for Romney out there, had as his guest host yesterday, Mark Stein who interviewed John Podhoritz (?) and they both agreed that Romney giving that speech was a terrible move that made him look like an amateur and was the worst thing he could have done politically.

[sageb1]

Mitt Romney, the Mormon (What’s That?!)

By Father Jonathan Morris

[rhombus]

To Father Jonathan Morris - I don’t recall John F. Kennedy explaining such things as the virgin birth and other finer details about his Roman Catholic faith. I probably wouldn’t have found them relevant either.

[pissant]

It was a good speech, but will not help him.

[sageb1]

I agree it was not a wise move. Today’s columnists have decided to explain all the things Romney left out.

[Count of Monte Logan]

As a Mormon (who opposes Romney on his liberal record), I again see this assumption about main-stream christianity.

The jews reguarded all the prophets and even Christ himself as apostates and rejected and killed them. Christians were considered part of a cult early on.

I guess I will take your frivolous words and your minister’s interpretation of the bible as the gospel. Prayer and personal testimony on my part should be abandoned.

[rface]

Rush said that the speach was a home run. I agree - and Rush is right 98.8% of the time.

[STARWISE]

I thought he did a great job .. stated his position
clearly and gave historical information on which
America needed reminding about religion and politics.

[Hoodlum91]

Regardless of how Romney’s speech went, this is reflecting VERY poorly on evangelicals.

[greyfoxx39]

Here's John Podhoretz' take:

Mitt Romney’s Boilerplate Mistake

John Podhoretz - 12.06.2007 - 13:08

So Mitt Romney, facing the rise of Mike Huckabee’s Christian-centric campaign in Iowa and judging that the Huckabee surge is related to discomfort with Romney’s Mormonism, gave his much-anticipated speech on faith this morning. It’s perfectly fine Republican boilerplate — faith must inform our views but it does not guide them, the public square should not be naked, our Founders believed in religion and yet even they had to deal with intolerance toward minority faiths, Martin Luther King was really very good, etc. etc. Many commentators on the Right are praising the speech, but I fear they’re grading on a curve; strictly as a matter of rhetoric, it tended toward the bland. The only genuinely novel aspect of it was the addition of the Mormon trail to a brief account of the history of religious intolerance in America (”Because of their diverse beliefs, Ann Hutchinson was exiled from Massachusetts Bay, a banished Roger Williams founded Rhode Island, and two centuries later, Brigham Young set out for the West. Americans were unable to accommodate their commitment to their own faith with an appreciation for the convictions of others to different faiths…”).

The key passage is this:

I do not define my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith. Let me assure you that no authorities of my church, or of any other church for that matter, will ever exert influence on presidential decisions. Their authority is theirs, within the province of church affairs, and it ends where the affairs of the nation begin….

If I am fortunate to become your president, I will serve no one religion, no one group, no one cause, and no one interest. A President must serve only the common cause of the people of the United States.

There are some for whom these commitments are not enough. They would prefer it if I would simply distance myself from my religion, say that it is more a tradition than my personal conviction, or disavow one or another of its precepts. That I will not do. I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers — I will be true to them and to my beliefs.

That’s entirely fine. But there’s something oddly pointless about this protestation. Who is the audience for this speech, aside from people like me who make their living in part watching them and reading their texts and writing about them? No one thought Romney would say that Mormon elders would play a leading role in his White House counseling him on policy. Anyone inclined to believe such a thing won’t be convinced by Romney’s protestations in any case.

Romney has always had an uphill battle in this election, although you’re not supposed to say it, as it will occasion someone else delivering you a long speech about religious tolerance. As far as minority religions go, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is one of the minority-est. There are, by at least one count, three times as many Jews in the United States. The number of Americans who openly profess to be Christian is around 74 percent; the number of those raised Christian is 84 percent. Americans are without a doubt the most tolerant people on earth, but religion is very important to them, and someone whose fellow believers number 1/55th of the population of the United States is someone who is going to have trouble closing the deal with voters.

For those who don’t know Romney is a Mormon, well, they sure will now. For the next two or three days, it’s all anybody will know about him. Chances are it is the word that people will most associate with him from here on out. I don’t think that’s a good direction for a campaign that finds itself in the fight of its life in Iowa against the most explicitly Christian candidate in the field. (The only response so far comparable to mine is David Frum’s, though his typically trenchant criticism has more to do with the underlying meaning of the speech.)

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[trisham]

It was a good speech, but if it was intended to influence Evangelicals, I doubt it was successful.

[Dustbunny]

We did not think Romney bombed. He gave and excellent speech.

We still prefer Duncan Hunter as a first choice!

[greyfoxx39]

Here is David Frum:

Thursday, December 06, 2007

That Dog Won't Hunt

Sorry to dissent from my colleagues on the Corner, but once the murmurs over the oratory subside, people are going to realize: that speech did not work. Here's why:

"There is one fundamental question about which I often am asked. What do I believe about Jesus Christ? I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior of mankind. My church's beliefs about Christ may not all be the same as those of other faiths. Each religion has its own unique doctrines and history. These are not bases for criticism but rather a test of our tolerance."

To be blunt, Romney is saying:

It is legitimate to ask a candidate, "Is Jesus the son of God?"

But it is illegitimate to ask a candidate, "Is Jesus the brother of Lucifer?"

It is hard for me to see a principled difference between these two questions, and I think on reflection that the audiences to whom Romney is trying to appeal will also fail to see such a difference. Once Romney answered any question about the content of his religious faith, he opened the door to every question about the content of his religious faith. This speech for all its eloquence will not stanch the flow of such questions.

Bad move - and one with very unfair results to a candidate who all must acknowledge is a man who has proven that his mind actually operates in a highly empirical, data-driven, and uncredulous way.

Had he focused instead on simply arguing that presidents need only prove themselves loyal to American values, he would have been on safe ground. Instead, he over-reached, super-adding to his civic appeal an additional appeal to voters who demand faith in Jesus as a requirement in a president. That is an argument that will not work - and a game Mitt Romney cannot win.

12/06 12:21 PM

 

[sageb1]

Did Joseph Smith “idolize” Muhammed?

[repentant_pundit]

I don’t recall John F. Kennedy explaining such things as the virgin birth and other finer details about his Roman Catholic faith

The virgin birth is not exclusively Catholic...it's Christian, gospel truth in the Bible

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[rhombus]

Regardless of how Romney’s speech went, this is reflecting VERY poorly on evangelicals.

They have been about as useful as the "human shields" (and just as wise). ;-)

[Badeye]

Its always interesting to compare initial reactions to a given political speech, after time has passed.

The media and political commentators of the day mocked Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address unmercifully. As we all know today, its known as one of the greatest speeches ever given to millions, more than a century later.

The same was said of Reagans ‘Tear Down This Wall’ speech, more or less. Today we all know it was one of those moments that changed the world we grew up in (if you were alive for Duck and Cover training in grade school, you know what I mean here).

I suspect Romney’s speech will survive the test of time, not on par with my two examples, but the response to it is on par with both from what I’m reading today, in some quarters.

I don’t think the detractors comments will survive that same test, any more than those denigrating Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address or Reagans ‘Wall’ speech have.

Just my opinion, it was a good speech, well delivered from the heart. We’ll see if it was a turning point less than a year from now.

[rhombus]

The virgin birth is not exclusively Catholic...it's Christian, gospel truth in the Bible

Then a Mormon would believe it too?

[Miss Didi]

RUSH: I want to start with Mitt Romney today, Mitt Romney's speech. Frankly, I thought what we saw today, folks, was a Republican candidate for president giving an inspiring speech. It was an inspiring speech about American values, including religion. Mitt Romney did this because he has been relentlessly attacked as something less than a true American. I watched this. I had seen some excerpts from the speech published before he made it. I thought he was inspiring, folks. I think he set exactly the right tone and I am stunned by some of the criticism I am seeing of this speech, particularly on some conservative websites. "He didn't include atheists; he didn't include agnostics; he didn't say and reach out to Hindus." I don't understand it. Of all things to take from this speech that Romney gave today, that he didn't reach out to atheists and didn't reach out to agnostics, is beyond me. I thought he showed today his ability to confront, to articulate, to persuade, and to lead. (cont.)

Mitt Romney's Inspiring Speech

Mitt Romney Raised the Bar

VIDEO: Watch Entire Speech Here

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