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To: ZGuy
Here's John Podhoretz' take:

Mitt Romney’s Boilerplate Mistake

John Podhoretz - 12.06.2007 - 13:08

So Mitt Romney, facing the rise of Mike Huckabee’s Christian-centric campaign in Iowa and judging that the Huckabee surge is related to discomfort with Romney’s Mormonism, gave his much-anticipated speech on faith this morning. It’s perfectly fine Republican boilerplate — faith must inform our views but it does not guide them, the public square should not be naked, our Founders believed in religion and yet even they had to deal with intolerance toward minority faiths, Martin Luther King was really very good, etc. etc. Many commentators on the Right are praising the speech, but I fear they’re grading on a curve; strictly as a matter of rhetoric, it tended toward the bland. The only genuinely novel aspect of it was the addition of the Mormon trail to a brief account of the history of religious intolerance in America (”Because of their diverse beliefs, Ann Hutchinson was exiled from Massachusetts Bay, a banished Roger Williams founded Rhode Island, and two centuries later, Brigham Young set out for the West. Americans were unable to accommodate their commitment to their own faith with an appreciation for the convictions of others to different faiths…”).

The key passage is this:

I do not define my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith. Let me assure you that no authorities of my church, or of any other church for that matter, will ever exert influence on presidential decisions. Their authority is theirs, within the province of church affairs, and it ends where the affairs of the nation begin….

If I am fortunate to become your president, I will serve no one religion, no one group, no one cause, and no one interest. A President must serve only the common cause of the people of the United States.

There are some for whom these commitments are not enough. They would prefer it if I would simply distance myself from my religion, say that it is more a tradition than my personal conviction, or disavow one or another of its precepts. That I will not do. I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers — I will be true to them and to my beliefs.

That’s entirely fine. But there’s something oddly pointless about this protestation. Who is the audience for this speech, aside from people like me who make their living in part watching them and reading their texts and writing about them? No one thought Romney would say that Mormon elders would play a leading role in his White House counseling him on policy. Anyone inclined to believe such a thing won’t be convinced by Romney’s protestations in any case.

Romney has always had an uphill battle in this election, although you’re not supposed to say it, as it will occasion someone else delivering you a long speech about religious tolerance. As far as minority religions go, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is one of the minority-est. There are, by at least one count, three times as many Jews in the United States. The number of Americans who openly profess to be Christian is around 74 percent; the number of those raised Christian is 84 percent. Americans are without a doubt the most tolerant people on earth, but religion is very important to them, and someone whose fellow believers number 1/55th of the population of the United States is someone who is going to have trouble closing the deal with voters.

For those who don’t know Romney is a Mormon, well, they sure will now. For the next two or three days, it’s all anybody will know about him. Chances are it is the word that people will most associate with him from here on out. I don’t think that’s a good direction for a campaign that finds itself in the fight of its life in Iowa against the most explicitly Christian candidate in the field. (The only response so far comparable to mine is David Frum’s, though his typically trenchant criticism has more to do with the underlying meaning of the speech.)

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10 posted on 12/07/2007 8:19:30 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Romney, fooled TWICE by a Columbian gardener...what kind of discernment for POTUS is this?)
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To: greyfoxx39

An odd position.

Dirty Harry Reid is Mormon, as were/are Flake (AZ), John Doolittle (CA), Wally Herger (CA), Howard McKeon (CA), Ernest Istook (OK), Mike Simpson (ID), Thomas Udall (NM), Rob Bishop (UT), and Chris Cannon (UT). Then in the Senate - Orrin Hatch and Bob Bennett, both from Utah, Mike Crapo of Idaho and Gordon Smith from Oregon.

I don’t understand why so many people dish crap on Mitt - the Congress usually has a greater effect on people than a president......


25 posted on 12/07/2007 8:32:51 AM PST by ASOC
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To: greyfoxx39

Before he said he was doing a speech, I had said (not here) that he was caught in a bind, because without a speech he’d be ducking his religion, and with a speech he’d be highlighting it, and neither would work all that well for him.

His speech was great, and that’s helpful, but in the end he’s still a Mormon in a country that may not be ready.

I can’t tell whether he’s helped or hurt himself, he’s only got a narrow ledge to play with anyway. He may not do anything short term, but might have positioned himself better should Huckabee fall, because as much as he will be remembered for being Mormon, he’ll much more so be remembered for being willing AND able to talk about the importance of faith.

Something the only other front-running conservative not only can’t do, but actively refuses to do.


118 posted on 12/07/2007 10:00:23 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT (The Swiss Ninja.)
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To: greyfoxx39
I do not define my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith.

Actually, that should trouble evangelicals more than it comforts them. It only comforts them because of his Mormon faith. His is essentially saying that whether a person of faith or not a person of faith, it shouldn't matter. That in it's self should trouble them, A person whose faith is no faith should also be not be disqualified by evangelicals?

408 posted on 12/08/2007 5:50:39 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: greyfoxx39
I do not define my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith. Let me assure you that no authorities of my church, or of any other church for that matter, will ever exert influence on presidential decisions. Their authority is theirs, within the province of church affairs, and it ends where the affairs of the nation begin….

Has anyone suggested that we elect Presidents because of their faith? I don't think so. But that doesn't mean we should ignore a man's faith, either.

747 posted on 12/09/2007 10:46:46 AM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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