Neanderthal Children Grew Up Fast

Science Daily ^ | 12-4-2007 | Max-Planck-Gesellschaft.

[blam]

GGG Ping.

Magnetic susceptibility applied as an age–depth–climate relative dating technique using sediments from Scladina Cave, a Late Pleistocene cave site in Belgium

[robomatik]

"...that the child was approximately 8 years old when it died..."

IT is NOT a child!!!

[Continental Soldier]

It seems that only with Cro-Magnon Man (homo-sapiens) did ‘childhood’ take on any special meaning. Other animals in the wild mature within two or three years, and are then able to fend for themselves. With the advent of modern man came a longer period of childhood development. And that remains so even today with all of us, homo-sapien-sapiens. :)

[aruanan]

IT is NOT a child!!!

If it's not known whether it was a he or she, it is an it.

[blam]

The big brain of the human causes a big head which requires ‘early birthing’, before the head gets to large to pass down the birthing canal. Because the human brain is so immature at birth, it requires a long childhood.

[frithguild]

An international European research collaboration led by scientists at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology reports evidence for a rapid developmental pattern in a 100,000 year old Belgian Neanderthal (Homo neanderthalensis).

Hmmm! Grows up fast and lives longer than Methusula - 100,000 years.

[Squidpup]

Here's one Freeping already

[gedeon3]

Hahahahahahahhahaahahahahahahahha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its funny how they keep trying to add to the stupid, already proven false, THEORY of “evolution”. Another pig’s tooth maybe? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dangerdoc]

Neanderthals had larger brains than Homo Sapiens. They would have the same birthing issues that we do.

[Coyoteman]

Neanderthals had larger brains than Homo Sapiens. They would have the same birthing issues that we do.

I was going to point that out; you beat me to it.

[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

Those tough Neandertal women — what about their hip widths? (this in regard to the childbirth question)

[SunkenCiv]

Study: Neanderthals, Modern Humans Same Species
USA Today | 12-26-2001 | Michael A. Stowe
Posted on 01/10/2002 8:42:43 AM EST by blam
Edited on 04/13/2004 4:38:56 AM EDT by Jim Robinson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/605441/posts

Neanderthals Matured Faster Than Modern Man -Study
Science - Reuters | 2004-04-28 | Patricia Reaney
Posted on 04/28/2004 3:57:48 PM EDT by Junior
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1126139/posts

[snip] Dental growth records contain biological information and give an overall indication of the maturity of a species. Ramirez Rozzi and Bermudez de Castro studied the series of ridges, called perikymata, on teeth fossils. They compared teeth fossils from Neanderthals dating from 130,000 to 28,000 years ago, earlier samples dating between 800,000 and 400,000 years and teeth fossils of homo sapiens that were 20,000-8,000 years old. [end]

Study: Neanderthals Grew Up Much Faster
Yahoo! News | April 28, 2004 | CHRIS KAHN
Posted on 04/28/2004 5:11:51 PM EDT by El Conservador
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1126185/posts

Neanderthal Teeth Grew No Faster Than Comparable Modern Humans’
Ohio State Research | Monday, September 19, 2005 | Staff
Posted on 09/19/2005 5:11:50 PM EDT by DaveLoneRanger
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1487528/posts

[snip] “Based on our study of the enamel of these Neanderthal teeth and other modern ones, we can’t support the claim that Neanderthals grew up more quickly than do modern humans,” she said. Key to this conclusion are microscopic lines on the outside of teeth that mark the incremental growth of enamel on a young tooth. [end]

Neandertals Had Long Childhoods, Tooth Study Suggests
National Geographic News | September 14, 200 | James Owen
Posted on 09/14/2006 9:04:20 AM EDT by billorites
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1701289/posts

[snip] The study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences Online Early Edition, compared growth rates of Neandertal front teeth with those of three modern human populations: Inuit (Eskimo), English, and southern African... They found that Neandertal (often spelled “Neanderthal”) teeth grew at a similar rate to those of people living today and actually formed slower than those of southern Africans... The team based their findings on layers of tooth enamel... Other researchers who studied Neandertal tooth remains reported in 2004 that Neandertals became sexually mature adults by as young as 15 years of age (see “Neandertals Were Fully Developed by Age 15, Experts Say”). The 2004 study found Neandertal wisdom teeth grew 15 percent faster than those of modern humans. Guatelli-Steinberg, though, says the earlier study did not take into account how variable modern populations are in their dental growth — a criticism that was also raised at the time of the 2004 study’s publication. [end]

Neanderthals’ Tough Stone Age Lives
Science News | 12-16-2006 | Bruce Bower
Posted on 12/15/2006 6:28:42 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1754174/posts

[snip] Close examination of the ancient teeth revealed disturbances of enamel formation, especially in the children and teens, that Rosas and his coworkers attribute to near starvation... In another analysis, they compared three Neandertal jaws from the site with jaws from 32 Neandertals and 23 modern Homo sapiens previously found at Stone Age sites throughout Europe and western Asia. Reconstructions of the lower faces indicate that Neandertals evolved into northern and southern varieties, the team claims. [end]

Turns out Neanderthals had good oral hygiene
MSNBC | 9-11-2007
Posted on 09/13/2007 7:14:34 AM EDT by Renfield
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1895747/posts

[Fred Nerks]

brazenly stolen from a previous thread on the subject:

...proof that Neandertals survived - meet Ahmadinnerjacket's father.

[elli1]

Those tough Neandertal women — what about their hip widths? (this in regard to the childbirth question)

I've long wondered about just this as being a significant (possible) factor in the demise/ extinction of Neanderthals.

[blam]

"Neanderthals had larger brains than Homo Sapiens. They would have the same birthing issues that we do."

I was comparing humans to other mammals, not other humans.

[SunkenCiv]

The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

[ZULU]

One tooth and one specimen does not a general rule make.

[GoLightly]

Those tough Neandertal women — what about their hip widths? (this in regard to the childbirth question)

There's a real balancing act between mother & baby. Human pelvic bones are jointed & move to create more room to give birth. Babies skulls also have joints, so the skull can be compressed to allow delivery.

While the question about hip width is important, it's not the only factor to be considered. Are pelvic joints different, the same? Are skull joints the same or different? Bone density?