Posted on 11/28/2007 6:09:47 AM PST by shrinkermd
Because you’re not going to learn people skills through homeschooling and learning by yourself.
“Because you’re not going to learn people skills through homeschooling and learning by yourself.”
You need to go back and read my very first post...you’ve gone off track from my original point.
Yes, and don't forget the early Adlerians, including Adler, were socialists. They had good intentions but had a flawed perception of human nature. Socialists, one and all, believe that humans are born as a "blank slate" and they can made into almost anything those who are influential desire. This is nonsense.
The educators following this have no evidence that it works just a leap to faith that it must on the basis of their conception of human nature. Children will not quit competing any more than adults. They might also take their competition to the moral realm like the socialists and compete for "moral superiority."
Both suppressing ordinary competition and expressing moral superiority are the hallmarks of the current educational system. Remember, the moral superiority is not based on religious convictions but rather environmentalism, affirmative action, multiculturalism and so forth.
Very nice post. There are several ideas in there that — while hardly new to me — you’ve expressed very concisely. I’m going to spend some time chewing over them. Thanks.
Nice try with the dig at homeschooling but all it shows is that you're hopelessly out of touch with reality of what homeschooling is all about and how the vast majority of people homeschool.
Perhaps you could explain, then, why colleges are doing everything they can to attract homeschoolers and why they have a special liaison in their admissions department to deal just with homeschool applicants?
You’re entirely right, homeschoolers never learn people skills because all homeschoolers are only children who are locked in their basements all day. Homeschoolers never ever have the opportunity to be team players or work with others which is why colleges don’t recruit them and they don’t get jobs.
Ooops, wait, forgot to disengage my sarcasm generator.
I was homeschooled and somehow managed to develop people skills. Well, enough to fake it anyway. In college, I was always in high demand for teams and was usually the only “young” person asked to join the team with the older part-time students who didn’t have time for nonsense like the college slacker kids. I managed to get a job, a husband, and a volunterer gig helping put on a fan convention for 2000 people even with my “homeschool handicap”.
I am not talking about socialization such as making friends, sports, behaving nicely, etc.
I’m specifically talking about kids working together on the same problem such a lab experiment or a big project. This is a skill that wasn’t even taught in any school until recently.
There are also kids who will pick up phonics when taught with the whole language method. Not every kid will which is why some skills must be explicitly taught.
And I’m sayin’, homeschoolers know that. We make efforts to teach those skills. You have fallen into the government school mentality that only a government school upbringing can properly prepare children for life. That’s not correct. Homeschooling does a great job.
The proponents of the great WE see a world where no one “applies” for a job. The House of Vocations will assign one.
For example, Equality 7-2521 will be a Street Sweeper.
Even within teams you want the best team member for the task required. Competition helps them to determine what their best qualities are. If they have no idea what skills or abilities they are really good at, how can they bring anything to the table?
LOL!
I don’t believe in government school. :) oh boy
I’m in favor of private schools and homeschool co-ops. I’m not against those who go alone either but not everyone knows what you know. Specialization and comparative advantage also applies to education.
As I think others have already mentioned to you, homeschoolers go out of their way to find opportunities for their children to develop the skills they need. That is the great advantage of homeschooling. Whereas public schools can take years to adjust to changing times, homeschoolers can react immediately to any perceived need. There are all kinds of opportunities for homeschoolers to work together in a team setting and not just on sports teams.
Robotics competitions
Science competitions
Math competitions
4 H Club
Boys Scouts
Habitat for Humanity
Food Pantries and Soup Kitchens
Other Volunteer work
Home based family businesses
Internships/Mentoring with other companies
Those are just a few of the examples I could think of off the top of my head. If anything, public school kids are at a great disadvantage because most of their lives they are incarcerated and are unable to learn about team work.
well you need both obviously. some people take extremes and feel that cooperative learning is liberal because they have seen too many feel-good kumbaya examples.
Quick question, and I’m not trying to trip you up or make you look stupid or anything, but assuming you went to college, what did you study? I’m asking because most of the other people I’ve known who studied engineering or hard science subjects, view group projects a socialist wast eof time. You learn very fast that half the people on your team intend to do nothing for their grade, and have to work twice as hard yourself. You learn to view everyone else’s work wiht suspicion. One case of hideous plagiarism will do that to you. You learn how to document what you did so after the presentation you can go to the professor and explain what you did and what the others didn’t do. You learn to insist that you be allowed to proofread the final documents before turning them in because other students can’t spell or use commas correctly.
Time management was a much more valuable skill than teamwork.
yes but I would like to see this as part of the curriculum.
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this educrat is a SOCIALIST, and is attempting to indoctrinate kids into the same destructive mindset.
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It is time to call it what it really is: MARXISM! ( yes, I am shouting but the American people seem to be deaf.)
This educrat is either a Marxist or a Useful Idiot.
Marxism is our nation´s most serious threat, and our government K-12 schools and our colleges and universities are their most important weapon.
We can survive a nuclear suitcase bomb. We will NOT survive if the Marxist who run our government schools succeed in indoctrinating the next generation of voters.
What to do about it?
Well, first off, forget about reforming the government K-12 schools. They are entirely too infiltrated for any meaningful reform. They must be shut down. Then we must thoroughly reform, shut down existing colleges and universities, and/or open new ones.
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