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In Praise of 'Thought Competition' (Education)
Wall Street Journal ^
| 28 November 2007
| REBECCA SEGALL-WALLACE
Posted on 11/28/2007 6:09:47 AM PST by shrinkermd
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This all began with Vicki Stolz and other Adlerians. Their focus on self-esteem was easily understood and quickly accepted without empirical evidence by the educational establishment. The result is an impending disaster when these young people without knowledge of their abilities and disabilities hit the real world.
To: shrinkermd
“We don’t want kids to compete individually, put themselves in vulnerable positions as individuals,” explains a leading administrator. “They can compete within teams,” explains another. “So the focus is on community building rather than on personal value.”
Right because when you apply for a job, you do it with other team members.
The wussification of America continues.
To: shrinkermd
When students are rewarded for participation rather than achievement, Dr. Levine suggests, they don’t have a strong sense of what they are good at and what they’re not.
Repeat LOUD and OFTEN......................
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posted on
11/28/2007 6:11:34 AM PST
by
PeterPrinciple
( Seeking the truth here folks.)
To: Slapshot68
teamwork is very important after you get the job
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posted on
11/28/2007 6:14:29 AM PST
by
ari-freedom
(I don't want Huckabee or Applebee...give me someone from Tennessee!)
To: PeterPrinciple
“When students are rewarded for participation rather than achievement, Dr. Levine suggests, they dont have a strong sense of what they are good at and what theyre not.”
They recently began a fall soccer program in my area that competes with the one they already have in the spring...but with no scoring, just for “fun.” My son wanted to play but I won’t let him until the spring one. I know I’m probably being a fuddy duddy but the idea of playing a soccer game without keeping score is asinine. What’s he learning? He already knows how to play...but to what end?
To: PeterPrinciple
When students are rewarded for participation...Ah yes, the participation award, or as my child calls it, the "thanks for showing up" award.
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posted on
11/28/2007 6:15:42 AM PST
by
murphE
(These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
To: Slapshot68
That quote reached out of the paper and slapped me -
this educrat is a SOCIALIST, and is attempting to indoctrinate kids into the same destructive mindset.
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posted on
11/28/2007 6:15:44 AM PST
by
MrB
(You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
To: ari-freedom
“teamwork is very important after you get the job”
Of course it is. But that wasn’t my point. You engage in rigorous competition to secure employment. Kids growing up need to become accustomed to that sort of competition.
To: shrinkermd
I find this article to be patently absurd, especially when the fight for individual success is so high today. Education pundits can talk theory all they want, but look at the race for top-tier college admissions and tell me that American public education is some feel-good pow-wow.
Maybe y'all have some feel-good, hippie-enclave schools in your area, but my public education was always about excelling academically. And this was in Massachusetts, the liberal capital of the world.
Chicken little topic, chicken little article.
To: Slapshot68
you need both competition and cooperation. There are conservatives who take the opposite extreme
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posted on
11/28/2007 6:22:02 AM PST
by
ari-freedom
(I don't want Huckabee or Applebee...give me someone from Tennessee!)
To: shrinkermd
Every once in a while, we have a thread about "How do you define Left vs Right?" and "Were the Nazis really rightwing?"
I think the breakdown is simple: Collectivist vs Individualist.
These folks are pushing team effort rather than personal effort. These folks are pushing Collectivism. The Bolsheviks and the Nazis and the Democrats are smiling.
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posted on
11/28/2007 6:22:05 AM PST
by
ClearCase_guy
(The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
To: ari-freedom
“you need both competition and cooperation.”
In procuring a job? Cooperation from whom?
To: Slapshot68
Obviously, someone has never heard of ‘networking’. Hell, who you know and who you can ‘grease’ is often more important than your qualifications!
To: Slapshot68
to succeed in life you need both. You’re not going to get a job without people skills.
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posted on
11/28/2007 6:25:07 AM PST
by
ari-freedom
(I don't want Huckabee or Applebee...give me someone from Tennessee!)
To: shrinkermd
Generation Y might be in for quite a shock when they show up for work at their first jobs. "They expect to be immediate heroes and heroines. They expect a lot of feedback on a daily basis. They expect grade inflation, they expect to be told what a wonderful job they're doing,"Yup, yup, yup and yup.
To: SomeReasonableDude
“Obviously, someone has never heard of networking.”
Networking is a tool of competition, not cooperation with a competing job seeker.
To: ari-freedom
Youre not going to get a job without people skills. Naaaah. I can't be bothered to learn people skills. I figure someone else in my group will have the people skills, so I'm just going to color this poster over here ...
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posted on
11/28/2007 6:28:23 AM PST
by
ClearCase_guy
(The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
To: ari-freedom
“Youre not going to get a job without people skills.”
Yes, I know. What does that have to do with the competing factor in job searches?
To: metmom
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posted on
11/28/2007 6:32:38 AM PST
by
EdReform
(The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
To: SomeReasonableDude
when we visited Boston, we couldn’t help but notice just how many drunk and “not quite all there” college kids were hanging around.
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posted on
11/28/2007 6:36:10 AM PST
by
ari-freedom
(I don't want Huckabee or Applebee...give me someone from Tennessee!)
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