Posted on 11/27/2007 3:47:51 AM PST by billorites
THERE'S "STARTLING" and "stunning" news of a "hidden epidemic" of veteran suicides. So claimed CBS News in two reports.
Most of the airtime went for heart-rending interviews with wives of vets who had killed themselves. But CBS also provided statistics that it said showed that "veterans were more than twice as likely to commit suicide in 2005 than non-vets."
Problem is, we have absolutely no way of verifying the CBS data nor how the network claims it collected the info. CBS News admits to collecting the data itself, rather than relying on an independent outside party. It also concedes its rate is "much higher" than that in an uncompleted Department of Veterans Affairs study.
So somebody isn't telling the truth. And the evidence from outside studies that have actually been published is overwhelming that it's CBS.
For example, CBS put special emphasis on vets of the current wars. "One age group stood out," it said: "veterans age 20 through 24, those who have served during the War on Terror. They had the highest suicide rate among all veterans, estimated between two and four times higher than civilians the same age."
CBS said the suicide rate of these young vets was 22.9 to 31.9 per 100,000 people.
Which looks very strange next to the data on active duty soldiers in the War on Terror.
Last month, the Army released a report finding that the suicide rate among these GIs in 2006 was 17.3 per 100,000 troops -- rather lower than CBS's rate for veterans. Why would soldiers who were recently on active duty be killing themselves at a much higher rate than those still serving?
More important still, the Army study corrected for some key demographic facts -- notably, that the military is largely male and that men are much likelier to commit suicide than women are. Among civilians who match the overall age, gender and race profile of the U.S. Army, the suicide rate was 19 per 100,000 -- higher than for the troops.
So, even if CBS's numbers for younger vets' suicides hold up, the rate isn't twice the relevant civilian one -- let alone the "two to four times higher" that CBS claimed.
Another problem shows up when you look at the repeated studies of the 700,000 or so vets of first Gulf War -- which have found no increased suicide rate. The same is true of a massive 2004 study of Vietnam vets.
That is, a solid body of work shows no "extra" suicides among vets of the only previous two major U.S. wars of the last half-century -- yet CBS claims a massive increase among vets generally. For the networks' numbers to hold up, there'd have to be a vast jump in suicides among vets who never saw combat.
And since suicide rates among Vietnam and Gulf vets match those of the general population, CBS's numbers translate to higher suicide rates for peacetime vets than for wartime ones.
This also contradicts a powerful implication of the CBS presentation -- namely, that posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is a major cause of these suicides. (That's what those interviews with the wives helped show.)
Now, PTSD is quite real; I suffered it after my trial by fire in two fights and the wrong end of a nasty ambush in Ramadi, Iraq, all within two days. But multiple research groups have found that PTSD is way down the list of factors that drive both veteran and active duty suicides.
In fact, a huge VA study of more than 800,000 subjects (released just weeks ago) compared suicide rates of depressed veterans with or without a PTSD diagnosis. It found a suicide rate of 68.16 per 100,000 person years for those with PTSD versus a rate of 90.66 for those without PTSD. (The researchers theorized that this was because PTSD sufferers are likelier to get treatment, including psychotherapy.)
As for long-term effects of experiencing combat, a 1998 study of Vietnam vets concluded: "The traumatic experience of combat makes only a small contribution to the report of current physical health problems."
Ultimately, there's no credible evidence of any increased suicide rate for vets or evidence that PTSD is anything but a minor factor in the suicides that do occur. (And if you don't believe that, CBS has some documents on President Bush's National Guard service they'd like to sell you . . . )
Of course, suicide is always a tragedy; whatever the rate among veterans, it would be good to reduce it. But success will require an agenda that puts the well-being of these heroes above crass media sensationalism and political causes.
The ghost of Dan Rather still haunts their halls.
More “fake but accurate” reporting from the Bush-haters at CBS.
No surprises there.
Stars and Tripe reported the same story.
For the best in BS see - SeeBS
“suicide rate of these young vets was 22.9 to 31.9 per 100,000 people.”
Uhmmm.... Lessee... That’s .0229% to .0319%.
Anything to discredit Bush or make America look bad is NEWS! If CBS manufactures it that’s OK.
The truth doesn’t matter to the media. Their left wing agenda is all that matters.
Lara Logan BS?
This gives them a way to explain the lack of homeless vets, see it all works out...
cBS just tossed him and Mapes some 'freelance' work...
CBS = Commonly Bogus Stories
BTTT
Why does anyone watch or listen to the Communist Broadcasting System? It’s lies are common knowledge.
Paul Harvey’s morning clip last week quoted that figure... not surprised.
I only know of one soldier who has committed suicide, and I only know of him because he was my brothers friend.
Decided to hang himself rather than go back on a 4th tour of Iraq.
Now ..this is interesting...I would think the advertisers that bought time from CBS on these shows...might have a fraud claim against CBS......any legal eagles out there with thoughts?!!
I suppose clear thinking isn’t a strong suit of someone inclined to taking their own lives.
It wouldn’t surpise me much to find higher suicide rates among vets who had served in the WOT than among troops currently on active duty, if they came back from the action and had to live with what SeeBS et al have done to the truth, this country, and the betrayal of the cause they fought for.
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