Video: Will Giuliani drive social conservatives from the GOP?

Fox News ^ | November 24, 2007

[Kurt Evans]

(30-second ad followed by 4-minute segment)

Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council talks about the Republican primaries.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

That is the way I see it as well.The battle within the party has been going on for years.It really came home to me when JORGE ARBUSTO bragged about now having a congress he can work with on amnesty after the 06 loses.That explains why we all think that the republicans are spineless.Nobody stood with Delay when he was under attack.He was doing too good a job and the rinos hated him for it.Bush siding with specter against toomey is another example.I could go on and on.

[Earthdweller]

This is an attempt to directly kick social conservatives in the teeth. It will not have good results for the party. They still think they can pull one over on the sheeple. It’s just plain stupid.

[A2J]

Guiliani will pick conservative judges

And what guarantee has he made to make you believe that, especially seeing that he is liberal on most everything?

[longtermmemmory]

this question has a forgone conclusion of yes.

assume for the moment that he is nominated. It will be pure poison to other candidates. Giuliani will drive money AWAY from republican candidates. The GOP party fundraising will be deader than bob dole’s 1996 campaign.

Giuliani loses on immigration, he loses on homosexual based marriage, he loses on gun control, and yes he even loses on NYC. (did you know hillary was senator on 9/11)

It is not just the money, it is also on time and effort. Human capital. Giuliani does not get the volunteers. Giuliani is only viable for those one issue anti-hillary clinton who don’t yet comprehend Giuliani IS Hillary in the GOP primary.

Giuliani is an engine of defeat.

No Giuliani, NO PROBLEM.

In answer to the question, YES he will drive away the Repblican base.

[NavVet]

Yes, but the Carter Debacle at least gave rise to Ronaldus Magnus. Maybe for years of her thighness would set the conditions for a conservative renewal. I am not unaware of the damage that the Hildabeast could do if given the reigns of power, but at least there would be an opposition party. With the stealth liberal in place, who would oppose him and advance the conservative cause. Conservatives would be forced to “be good Republicans” and sit on their hands while Rudy moved the country to the left for 4-8 years.

[arthurus]

These resurrecting dinosaurs would love nothing better than to run the social conservatives out of the party on the bet that the Rockefeller Republicans can split the leftist vote with the Democrats, and the Christians et al will just go quiescent and cede everything to the Radicals..

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

If Guiliani wins the nomination and y’all don’t support him or vote third party you might as well be voting for Hillary.

Since they are EXACTLY THE SAME, it won't matter...

[Valin]

Will Giuliani drive social conservatives from the GOP?

No.
Next question.

[arthurus]

If Giuliani wins the nomination then it is ALL HILLARY! The folks who vote for Giuliani will return a farther left Congress than we now have and Giuliani will not be able to work with Congress at all except on Congress's terms which he is mostly in sympathy with anyway. I do not think he will win the nomination. If the SoCons are inclined now to vote for him if he is the nominee they will be repelled by the scandal-a-day that the entire MSM will do until the election. He has an overabundance of real material in his past that is simply anathema to Christians and other social conservatives.By next November millions of them will not be able to bring themselves to go to the polls at all and the Democrats will sweep Congressional and state offices.

Congress will pass the Fairness Doctrine as a Congressional Act

Unless the USSC issues a sweeping ruling affirming traditional and plain understanding of the 2nd Amd, the Congress will pass lots of legislation that will ultimately amount to confiscation.

Giuliani cannot get conservative judges through the congress he will face and his 2nd and 3rd choices will go through and will be mostly picked by the Democrats in Congress for him to nominate. He will pick(2nd or 3rd) nonentities for USSC who will warp left within a year of being seated.

He will not be worth much in the War because he will be at the direction of a left Congress.

Giuliani as the Republican nominee is the only sure thing for another Clinton presidency. If nominated he will not be elected because he will drive away his SoCon votes and those stay-at-home voters will leave the field to the Democrats up and down the ticket. Rudynauts will gnash their teeth and "blame" the SoCons for being hardheaded or stupid and will feel better about the loss because of the perceived orneriness of Christians but it is how things will work out. It is a given. They rail against something that has almost the stature of a natural law.

[arthurus]

Rudy is NOT the lesser of 2 evils. He is the same evil if only because he will lose to Mrs. Clinton and is the only Republican for whom that is a sure thing.

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

You do not KNOW that Rudy will not pick conservative judges. He says he will. We KNOW what a RAT president will choose. We have a shot with Rudy--it's a sure thing with a RAT. I'll take my chances.

I also trust Rudy to take the threat of radical Islam serious. I KNOW RATS are on the side of radical Islam.

[NewJerseyJoe]

For some time, I have suspected that the "establishment" GOP treats social conservatives the same way that the Dems treat the African Americans: useful for votes during elections, but the rest of the time? -- "be seen, and not heard."

I no longer merely suspect it; I believe it completely. And it will hurt the GOP. Social conservatives are unlikely to stick around to get stabbed in the back again -- a point that seems to be lost on the establishment GOP.

[AmericaUnited]

I am not unaware of the damage that the Hildabeast could do if given the reigns of power

That amazing admission of ignorance completely disqualifies you from making any reasonable judgment in this matter.

[EasySt]

"Well us conservatives who are adults that live in the real world and not some delusional fantasy world understand that sometimes that is your only choice. Closing your eyes, holding you breath, making believe it's not so, only works when you're a toddler, age 4 and under."

If you think Rudy will actually nominate and fight for strict constructionist judges hard enough to succeed, then you are the one engaging in make believe.

If, as Republicans we nominate Rudy, then we will deserve Hillary and Hillary is what we will get. Practically Guaranteed. The GOP seems to fight much better as a minority party anyway. In fact, if Rudy were to win the Presidency, it would be even worse. It would mean the death of conservatism in the GOP, with barely a whimper. Once the GOP can win without conservatives, the sorry, short, future of this country as a sovereign nation is assured.

Let's have no more death of conservatism and this nation by inches. Do you want Rudy? Do you like what the "Governator" is doing for California? Go ahead. Please bring the Hillary whirlwind now, while there are still some left who will fight against the beliefs she and Rudy share.

If you won't vote for a conservative, you certainly won't be voting the same as me.

[MEGoody]

If Guiliani wins the nomination and y’all don’t support him or vote third party you might as well be voting for Hillary.

Oh, well.

And yes she is much, much worse.

I see little difference.

Guiliani will pick conservative judges

Hogwash.

[Little Ray]

Sure. Rudy nominated LOTS of conservative judges when he was Mayor of NYC. /sarc

[Little Ray]

Whatever my issues with President Bush, (amnesty, RoP, Israel, etc.) I’d STILL vote for him over Kerry or AlGore. Hell, I’d still vote for him over Rudy.
President Bush is, however, as far Left as I’m gonna go. Rudy is waaaaaay more liberal than President Bush.

[Intimidator]

God I hope so.

[MEGoody]

You’re wrong. I know it will drive some out of the party. The only debate we may have is how many.

[darkangel82]

see #114