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YouTube Video Shows Man Tasered After Refusing to Sign Ticket
Fox News ^ | November 21, 2007 | Sara Bonisteel

Posted on 11/21/2007 11:58:07 AM PST by Sopater

An internal police investigation is under way after a formal complaint was filed against a Utah state trooper who was videotaped Tasering a man who refused to sign a speeding ticket.

The officer's conduct has been called into question after a videotape of the incident was posted on YouTube.

The video, taken from a Utah Highway Patrol dashboard camera, shows Trooper John Gardner using a Taser on Jared Massey during a traffic stop on State Road 40 in Uintah County on Sept. 14.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; leo; revenuetickets; taser; utah
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To: moehoward
Cop had no control of the situation.

Did you watch the same video that I did? Must not have.

141 posted on 11/21/2007 1:17:53 PM PST by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: beebuster2000

He didn’t get the taser for speeding.
He didn’t get the taser for a ticket.
He didn’t get the taser for a “disagreement”.

He got the taser for not submitting to the lawful order of a cop to submit.

Once you admit that the guy was resisting arrest, the rest of the anecdotal bullshit falls apart.


142 posted on 11/21/2007 1:20:01 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: secretagent
I remember old tv shows: "Stop in the name of the law!"

To the extent that wasn't just movies and TV, I think "Stop in the name of the law" goes back several centuries to the notion of "hue and cry." By loudly calling out for the wanted man to stop in the name of the law, the un-uniformed, badgeless, officer was informing everyone that he was an officer of the law, and he was attempting to catch a suspected criminal. Every able bodied man had a duty to drop what he was doing, join in the "hue and cry" and help the officer pursue and catch the suspect.

Nowdays, with a uniformed and badged cop in a marked patrol vehicle, his stauts is clear, and anyone rushing up to "help" is liable to be arrested for interefring with the duties of a peace officer, if not just shot on the spot, so yelling "Stop in the name of the law" is passe.

That being said, I have to recycle the old joke about he difference between American cops and English cops.

American cops yell: Stop!, or I'll shoot!

English cops yell: Stop!, or I'll yell Stop! again.

143 posted on 11/21/2007 1:20:19 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: Sopater

Whenever someone sticks something in front of my face that I don’t really want to sign I just sign it “Henry Chinaski”
Nobody ever really looks at the signature.


144 posted on 11/21/2007 1:21:08 PM PST by Bobalu (I guess I done see'd that varmint for the last time....)
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To: commonguymd
He never said he was under arrest and the guy never really knew what was going on. He refused to sign the ticket and should have been advised as to the consequences of not signing it (i.e. arrest) and allowed to make a more informed decision.

According to some, the cop had no legal requirement to announce an arrest. The citizen was tazered for noncompliance with an order to submit, and legally had to comply, period.

Do you disagree that the law supports the cop in this case, and not the citizen?

145 posted on 11/21/2007 1:23:09 PM PST by secretagent
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To: SJSAMPLE
I didn’t see a threat from the driver but I wasn't there. Whether he needed to taz him or not I don’t know. I do think that the officer put them both in danger though. First he was almost standing in traffic. Around here they make you pull further over or go to the passenger side. Then he let him fall and lay in the road awhile. Then he left him in the road and the guy got up and was staggering around. He’s lucky that a distracted drive didn’t swerve over, IMO.
146 posted on 11/21/2007 1:24:05 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
When an officer has you in his custody and control you are under arrest. The officer does not have to tell you that you are under arrest.

Are we just playing games with words here? When exactly did the driver in this case become in the officer's "custody and control" and thus under arrest? Did the driver know that he was in the officer's "custody and control"? How?

147 posted on 11/21/2007 1:24:23 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: secretagent

It sucks to think that we must submit to a cop, even if we think we’re in the right.
There are times when I didn’t like it either ;)

But you can’t send cops out there and let suspects/detainees challenge the cop to a point where the cop is distracted or disadvantaged. Too many people here are claiming that the guy was “walking away” and “wasn’t being a problem”. Let them go out there and tell them to let a suspect move his hands about his person or vehicle compartment and see how long until they shrivel up and pass out.

These things are rightfully sorted out in both courts (criminal and civil). Rogue cops should be punished along with their agencies. This is the best way of keeping things level.


148 posted on 11/21/2007 1:24:40 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: muawiyah
But is the officer authorized use use lethal force against someone just because they won’t sign the ticket?

That would be asking the question of whether are not the cop gave a damn about killing you?

149 posted on 11/21/2007 1:25:25 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: SALChamps03
"I find that the people who say things like “cops are Taser happy” have frequently drawn the attention of law enforcement by not obeying the law"

Share your findings. They would be enlightening in this discussion.


150 posted on 11/21/2007 1:25:47 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: CindyDawg

The doofus was the guy in traffic, not the cop.

Had he submitted to a lawful order, he would have been in front of the police car and not the tazer.

The real threat was from a suspect who wouldn’t comply with the cop’s orders. That is the first signal of an impending threat. From there, the cop’s gonna take control of the situation before it takes control of him.


151 posted on 11/21/2007 1:27:03 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SALChamps03
Tasers are "lethal force". They can and do kill. Only difference between them and a firearm is they are less likely to do so every time.

They are not toys, nor are they just a funny little handbuzzer trick.

152 posted on 11/21/2007 1:28:40 PM PST by muawiyah
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marked to read later...


153 posted on 11/21/2007 1:29:07 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Once you admit that the guy was resisting arrest, the rest of the anecdotal bullshit falls apart.

According to some, the target doesn't even have to be resisting arrest, but simply resisting an order to submit, in this case an order to place his hands behind his back.

The target wasn't resisting arrest, but an order to comply.

154 posted on 11/21/2007 1:29:44 PM PST by secretagent
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To: SJSAMPLE

you totaly miss the point. law enforcement isnt about swinging your big ego around.

its about skillfully handling the public and keeping situations in the right key, not escalating. the best cops are really good at this. 99.999999% of what a cop does is with people skills, this guy has none.

this guy is a loser who cant handle being challenged, threat to his manhood. worst conceiveable guy to have dealing with the public while armed,

i dont know if the Utah regs will allow what he did. I do know he isnt the guy who should be a cop. thats for sure.


155 posted on 11/21/2007 1:29:47 PM PST by beebuster2000 (choice is not not peace or war, but small war now, or big war later masquerading as peace now.)
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To: weegee

Revenue tickets do carry jail time if you don’t pay them or go to court- a warrant will be issued for your arrest and you will have to pay the original fine ++++ My step-son learned this the hard way after ignoring traffic tickets until he was arrested, jailed overnight and had to pay $1,800 to be released. His multiple outstanding tickets were all for the same broken tail light- that was still broken when he was arrested during a traffic stop- which was again for the broken tail light. The judge had no sense of humor with his attitude that traffic tickets were meaningless. You will not be jailed for most traffic offenses-if-you comply. You certainly will be jailed if you refuse to sign the ticket or comply with other requests- like a breath or other test for alcohol and you will be jailed eventually if you comply with the officer and then ignore the ticket/s.


156 posted on 11/21/2007 1:30:11 PM PST by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: Sopater

Cop used excessive force. He wasn’t being attacked. Man wasn’t armed. Cops are trained(or should be) to subdue and cuff most suspects without using clubs,tasers, mace. Why am I reading more and more of these incidents as of recently? I respect the job that police officers have to do, but it seems we are seeing more and more incidents where they are overly paranoid or just plain mean?


157 posted on 11/21/2007 1:31:25 PM PST by Quickgun
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To: tiger-one
Pulled him over, chewed ass, could have been DUI, was not. Turned him loose.

I hope the driver was smart enough to respond with the appropriate "Yes, massa" and "No, massa".

158 posted on 11/21/2007 1:31:34 PM PST by T.Smith
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To: tiger-one

You would just say he lied.


159 posted on 11/21/2007 1:32:52 PM PST by donna (We live in this fog of political correctness, where everything is perpetual deception.-John Hagee)
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To: rogue yam
I was wondering about that too.

I wondered about that too. It almost seerms that the video had been edited, which of course is easy to do. For that matter its quite possible that whomever posted this video to youtube could have deleted key parts... we have no way to know since the timestamp in the video has (for some reason) been removed.

160 posted on 11/21/2007 1:33:01 PM PST by Cementjungle
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