Posted on 11/21/2007 10:42:53 AM PST by maddog55
A congressional commission on China reported last week that U.S. intelligence agencies have failed to properly assess Beijing's military buildup and capabilities and were taken by surprise on key developments, including new submarines built in secret.
“The pace and success of China’s military modernization continue to exceed U.S. government estimates,” stated the annual report of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission.
“Indeed, on occasion the U.S. defense and intelligence communities have been taken by surprise, as in the case of the launching of the Jin class submarine by the navy of the People’s Liberation Army.”
The criticism was a slap at pro-China U.S. intelligence officials, including Thomas Fingar, deputy director of national intelligence for analysis, National Intelligence Officer for East Asia Lonnie Henley, a protégé of convicted China spy Ronald Montaperto, and Dennis Wilder, a CIA official who is now the National Security Council staff senior director for Asia.
“Several Chinese advances have surprised U.S. defense and intelligence officials, and raised questions about the quality of our assessments of China’s military capabilities,” the commission report said.
China also could launch up to 10 new Shang-class nuclear attack submarines by next year.
The Jin submarine, also known as the Type 094, is a new class of ballistic missile submarine. It was first photographed in the water in late 2006 moored in Xiaopingdao Submarine Base.
The submarine is believed to be equipped with 12 advanced JL-2 SLBMs with a range of about 8,000 kilometers.
“China’s defense industry is producing new generations of weapons platforms with impressive speed and quality, and these advancements are due in part to the highly effective manner in which Chinese defense companies are integrating commercial technologies into military systems,” the report said.
“Industrial espionage provides Chinese companies an added source of new technology without the necessity of investing time or money to perform research.”
Mo one is blind. Everyone, pro & con for dealing with China knows what is going on. Greed is controlling many people.
Thought you might find this interesting.
Well, that might be fitting. That won’t happen. None the less, they will answer for what they have done. Judgement day comes for us all.
It’s comforting to know that other recognize evil when they see it.
Happy Thanksgiving
>We are decaying within from and the stench is now noticable.<
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers – normally good Americans, but Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free, Americans who have been lulled away into a false security.
- Ezra Taft Benson, An Enemy Hath Done This
http://blog.barofintegrity.us/2007/09/04/duncan-hunter-interview-with-hugh-hewitt.aspx
Duncan Hunter Interview with Hugh Hewitt
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People say you can’t be tough on China because they are so big. I say you can’t ignore China because they are so big. And because of what they are doing.
I watched their military build up. They are building up at double digit pace right now. They are building lots of submarines, buying lots of high end fighter aircraft from the Russians, building about 100 short range ballistic missiles a year. China is stepping into the super power shoes that the Soviet Union left. Now we can have a good relationship with China; but it will have to be a relationship based on American Strength. I think Ronald Reagan proved that to us in our era of conflict and competition with the Soviet Union.
Hugh Hewitt: How many years have you chaired the Armed Services Committee?
Duncan Hunter: I have chaired it for four years. I’ve been on that committee for 26 years.
Hugh Hewitt: And does the Pentagon understand China? Do they come forward and do they talk on the record with the Hill about what China represents for the next generation?
Duncan Hunter: You know this last report on China actually received lots of criticism from the State Department because it was very candid about assessing this enormous growing military strength of China. The assessment of the Pentagon was they are doing so much more then they have to do for self defense. They are building an offensive capability. When they shot that satellite out of space on January 11th, because America’s military eyes are largely in space, that really hurdled a new era of military competition between the U.S. and China in space. Like it or not, if you have to rely on satellites for movement of special forces or army brigades or marine corps divisions, you have to rely on satellites for that, and your satellites are in danger, you are in trouble. So we have our eyes, our military eyes [on China]. Plus a lot of our economic capabilities are reflected through our space apparatus. You have to protect that. We are going to have to spend a lot of money now and take a lot of effort to neutralize what is an aggressive Chinese policy in regard to space.
Hugh Hewitt: Let’s talk about the media and China. I asked you about this on the radio yesterday, how many questions have you had about China in the course of the Campaign. You have been on the trail for how long?
Duncan Hunter: We have had 4 congressional debates now and we have been out campaigning hard this entire year. We had one great question, I think it came from either Brit Hume or one of his team, during the Fox debate in the South Carolina, last question of the debate to me on China. I was able to give, you only have one minute answer, I try to be a master on the compact answers, I laid out that we have this cheating on trade which is stacking up billions to China and they are using this money to arm. This presents a long term challenge to the United States. Maybe not a direct threat; but a military threat is comprised of two things, capability and intent. They certainly are building a capability to cause us a lot of harm. And the intent of China is always difficult to understand.
Those tough old communists that ran the politboro are still running things. We see these generals make wild statements like, “We hope you value L.A. more than you do Taiwan”. That is a thinly veiled threat to nuke L.A. Then there will be a flurry of newspaper statements by people saying well, ‘general so and so didn’t mean it’. Well I hope general so and so is pretty far away from that nuclear trigger. Because that is a wild statement. You see those wild statements that came out of Yunnan Island where the American plane was shot down or was forced down, and the wild statements that came out of there diplomacy core after that were tempered by their trade people. But it shows us there is a element of leadership that is embedded in the Chinese hierarchy that is very aggressive, very anti American and very war like. It is difficult to know which element of the Chinese leadership is going to dominate the government in 5 years.
(snip)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1891445/posts
Pentagon: China Gearing Up for High-Tech Warfare
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1913355/posts
China hijacks Google, Yahoo, MSN, Youtube...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1868847/posts
China: Pictures of DF-25 Missile Revealed For the first time (3-warhead MIRV medium range)
Oh, and there is another option. It could be that they’re intentionally getting it wrong, and it’s just a coincidence that they’re also extremely stupid!
“Industrial espionage provides Chinese companies an added source of new technology without the necessity of investing time or money to perform research.”<<<
In addition to espionage, Public Private Partnerships, Affiliates and Granting Programs involve information sharing.
http://www.uschina.org/member_companies.html
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Not really, through the use of huge amount of Ben Franklin's, they guided it to a 'gentle end'.
Washington Times
February 3, 2004
Pg. 16
Arming Red China
Last week, French President Jacques Chirac used the visit of Chinese President Hu Jintao as an opportunity to call for an end to the EU’s ban on selling arms to the Communist state. During the meetings in Paris, French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin said, “Our feeling is that the
embargo is out of date as relations between Europe and China improve.”
Referring to China’s role in the world, he added that Beijing is “a privileged partner and a responsible one.” The French foreign minister neglected to mention that the original reason for the embargo had nothing to
do with Beijing’s relationship with Europe. It was a response to the crackdown on democratic activists in Tiananmen Square in 1989. In this light, there is no justification to lift the arms ban because the political
and human-rights situation in China continues to deteriorate.
The Bush administration has lobbied European governments not to allow arms sales to the Communists. Lack of Chinese progress on human rights is a major reason, but there is also the Taiwan factor. European weapons sales would be
dangerous for Taiwan because the embargo is important for the island democracy to be able to defend itself. Its security is based on its ability to prevent the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) from crossing the Taiwian
Strait for an invasion. Staying technologically ahead of the PLA is critical to the effectiveness of this defensive posture. European arms sales to Beijing - especially Mirage jet fighters and other advanced avionics equipment from France, which are under negotiation - would undercut Taiwan’s important technological edge.
During Mr. Hu’s visit, Monsieur Chirac criticized Taipei for stoking tensions with mainland China. It was overlooked that it is Beijing that has 450 missiles aimed at Taiwan, and not the other way around. It was tacitly acknowledged, however, that the rationale for China’s military expansion is to counter American power in the world - a goal that France is now supporting. Both Messers. Hu and Chirac referred to the partnership between their countries as “strategic,” and the French Foreign Ministry mentioned the leaders’ “convergence of visions” about the need for “a multi-polar world” in which their nations are not subjected to “a uni-polar American worldview.” Beijing’s military budget has been growing at an annual rate of 17 percent to make the challenge.
At the behest of France and Germany, the European Union is reconsidering the arms embargo on China. The Dutch support lifting the ban, and other nations are lining up to follow suit. Many of the same governments opposed U.S. efforts to oust Saddam Hussein in Iraq. There is now a growing pattern of America’s old allies in old Europe working to counter - if not undermine - U.S. interests, American security and human rights around the world. The EU desire to arm Communist China is another example of that.
Not just Henry Kissenger, don’t forget Zbigniew Brzezinski.
*Recommend*
>>>>Given the close defense business relationship between the Chinese and Russian governments (e.g., the Chinese have the money and the Russians have the systems), is there any possibility that Russian shpyards are building and delivering these submarines covertly?
This blog claims that Russia passed their NASA training onto China, so why not seas as well?
http://blog.barofintegrity.us/2007/10/23/chinas-space-program.aspx
Excerpt:
No, to be more precise, we have an astronaut-training programme. Whoa, whoa, that is not true either. We didn’t train anyone; we paid the Russians to train our astronaut.
Oh, blow it all. That is still wrong. He is not an astronaut; he is a cosmonaut. The terms, according to Nasa, mean different things but, according to the Russians (and us), they mean the same thing.
China sends a number of their submarines to the US Navy bases at Pearl Harbor and San Diego. They then have a couple of tramp freighters with deck cargo head toward these ports. Hidden amongst the deck cargo are six-ten cruise missile launchers.
The crew pops their missiles at the bases and then jump into a fishing trawler that boogies out of the area as fast as it can go, drops its nets a few miles away, and acts just like an innocent trawler.
Meanwhile, the missiles impact in and around the bases, causing some damage, but really just inciting a panic that causes most or all of the ships to sortie in one great thundering herd.
The submarines lying in wait outside the bases wait until most of the ships have put to sea, then open fire with a barrage of missiles, reload their tubes, and open up with torpedoes before breaking off and heading back home.
That's the bottom line.
[Duncan Hunter] People say you can’t be tough on China because they are so big. I say you can’t ignore China because they are so big. And because of what they are doing.
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