Pretty much....
Posted on 11/19/2007 1:14:56 AM PST by Nick Thimmesch
PHILADELPHIA -- This may be the last free Thanksgiving dinner for the Boy Scouts of Philadelphia.
Citing a local 1982 "fair practices" law, the city solicitor has given the Scouts until Dec. 3 to renounce its policy of excluding homosexuals or forfeit the grand, Beaux-Arts building it has rented from the city for $1 a year since 1928.
"While we respect the right of the Boy Scouts to prohibit participation in its activities by homosexuals," the solicitor, Romulo Diaz, said last week in an interview, "we will not subsidize that discrimination by passing on the costs to the people of Philadelphia."
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Oh, I see you support the law. Silly person.
If the agreement had been to bar blacks, would the agreement stand? Of course not. Civil rights would trump $1 rental agreements. You undoubtedly find this to be a flawed comparison, but many others do not. So the disagreement continues.
A flawed comparison doesn't even begin to cover it. What you fail to realize is that chosen behavior doe not equal racial differences. Under your comparison, any chosen behavior should be protected, endorsed and forced upon us by the power of government. The Supreme court has upheld the constitutionality of the Scout's policy. BTW, Philly apparently didn't have ANY problems with that policy since, what was it, 1980s when the 'law' was passed.
but the city can’t allow you to discriminate and simultaneously receive public tax dollars.
What 'public tax dollars' are they receiving - NONE. They are paying utilities and up keep. That they pay $1 doesn't matter, similar arrangements are with other organizations for sure. So I guess we need to force our children into threatening situations with homosexual predators and recruiters to satisfy you and your sense of morality.
Pretty much....
EAGLE SCOUT CHALLENGE
"The Boy Scouts of all nations constitute one of the most wholesome and significant influences in the world’s history. You have been declared worthy of the high rank of Eagle Scout in the Boy Scouts of America. All who know you rejoice in your achievement.
Your position, as you well know, is one of honor and responsibility. You are a marked man. As an Eagle Scout, you are expected to exemplify in your daily life the high principles and values expressed in the Scout Oath and the Scout Law. You have assumed a solemn obligation to do your duty to God, to your country, to your fellow scouts, and to all other human beings. This is a great undertaking which you are now just beginning. As you live up to your obligations, you bring honor to yourself and to your brother scouts.
As an Eagle Scout, you will be a champion to other scouts and be an example to your community. Remember, your actions will be more conspicuous. People will expect more of you. It is your responsibility to help maintain the high regard that all Americans have for Eagle Scouts. To falter would bring discredit, not only to you, but also to your fellow Eagles. Keep your ideals high and your honor bright.
Your responsibilities, however, go beyond your fellow scouts. They extend to your country and to your God. America has many good things to give you and to give your children after you; but these good things depend, for the most part, on the quality of her citizens. Our country has had a great past. You can help make the future even greater.
I challenge you to undertake your citizenship with solemn dedication. Be a leader, but lead only toward the best. Lift up every task you do, and every office you hold, with a high level of service to God and to your fellow human beings. Live and serve so that those who know you will be inspired to the highest ideals of life.
I challenge you to be among those who dedicate their hearts and hands to the common good. Build America on the solid foundations of clean living, honest work, unselfish citizenship, and reverence to God. Then, whatever others may do, you will leave behind you a record of which you may be justly proud."
Congratulations btw, for an Award that very few earn.
YIS,
SZ
“A flawed comparison doesn’t even begin to cover it. What you fail to realize is that chosen behavior doe not equal racial differences.”
Religion does not equal racial differences either, but are afforded equal protection.
Homosexuality is more than behavior. You can be homosexual without ever acting on it.
“What ‘public tax dollars’ are they receiving - NONE.”
The city is subsidizing their rent.
“They are paying utilities and up keep.”
But not fair market value rent.
“similar arrangements are with other organizations for sure.”
I’m not aware of any, but regardless.. .those organizations would also start being charged market rate if they discriminated based on sexual orientation.
“So I guess we need to force our children into threatening situations with homosexual predators and recruiters to satisfy you and your sense of morality.”
No, the Scouts have policies to prevent adults from being alone with children at any time. That should be sufficient.
Also, the non-discrimination extends to the scouts as well. This isn’t just about the leaders.
The Philadelphia chapter of the scouts doesn’t even agree with the national organization... they WOULD allow gay scouts/scoutmasters if allowed. That’s what is really sad about this situation... the Philly scouts are caught in the middle.
My bad, BSA would have to be the one to revoke an Eagle Award, not NESA.
SZ
People who think like you are the reason that Philly is a liberal hell-hole. Politically, I bet even Hillary is to the right of you.
Unfortunately, this has been shown in previous incidents to be insufficient and the BSA has been sued because of it. Therefore, the BSA took the extreme measure to protect the boys and subsequently the BSA.
The Philadelphia chapter of the scouts doesn’t even agree with the national organization... they WOULD allow gay scouts/scoutmasters if allowed. That’s what is really sad about this situation... the Philly scouts are caught in the middle.
Then the Philly Scouts should start their own organization if they can't abide by the Scout Law, Oath and Charter rules. The BSA does not "own" the Troops, the Organization that is supporting the Troop through Chartering "owns" the Troop. If they agree with the homos in Philadelphia, then they can sever their ties with BSA and go down that path if they so choose, but they don't need to drag the BSA down that path.
Your reasoning is flawed as it relates to homos and their access to boys. The homos have violated the boys in the past and will continue to do so in the future if given an opportunity.
SZ
I don't think gays should be discriminated against at the expense of taxpayers.
Yes, that must be why this place is such a hell-hole with great nightlife, culture, art, fine dining, and history.
If you think this is a hellhole, then your parents must have had their hands full raising such a delicate hothouse flower as yourself.
Politically, I bet even Hillary is to the right of you.
When I vote, the ladies at the booth always get a little wide eyed and screech "The Republicans!!"
They think we're Hitler.
Heh...
Thank you for the correction and kind words.
“Your reasoning is flawed as it relates to homos and their access to boys. The homos have violated the boys in the past and will continue to do so in the future if given an opportunity.”
It’s not just the masters... it’s the boys as well. There ARE gay scouts.
Not all gays are pedophiles. There should be protective mechanisms in place for safety, and gays should be allowed to be in the boy scouts IF taxpayers foot part of the bill.
Anyone remember the last episode (I think) of Little House on the Prarie where the crooked politicians and land speculators managed to gain control of the town...and the settlers blew it up with dynamite on the way out? Or am I have a brain spasm?
Ok, so centers of population are hellholes to you. Cow-populated areas are utopia. Got it.
Sexual predators, no matter what their leanings, go where the opportunities are. There is a reason that known predators are not allowed within 500 feet of a gradeschool in some communities. I don’t see known lesbians trying to join the Boy Scouts.
The case you need to be referencing is Evans v. Berkley, a 2006 case where the City of Berkley withdrew a free berth in a city-owned marina from the Sea Scouts. The city argued that continuing to do so would violate an ordinance prohibiting support for organizations that discriminated, even legally. Lower courts had found that Berkley was within its rights. The California Supreme Court upheld the lower courts, and in October 2006 the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear the case, letting the lower court rulings stand.
Long and short of it is that because of the Dale decision, the Boy Scouts can legally exclude whoever they want. But because of the Berkley decision, that doesn't mean that they are still entitled to the same support they used to receive.
Only those who haven't been identified. Following the Dale decision, the Boy Scouts applauded the Court's ruling that allowed them to set standards for leaders and membership. Homosexuals and atheists aren't welcome in either.
More like, "filthy Democrat parasite nests".
Like anything else, it depends on who you're dealing with. The organization is made up of members. Some follow the rules, some won't.
If I might modify your answer above a little bit.
Where BSA and its Chartered units draw the line is in selecting leaders. A typical adult Scouter participating in a troop or committee is not asked for a test oath or quizzed about issues like homosexuality.
Likewise, ten year old boys when preparing to join aren't asked for "sexual orientation" because rightly children and sdolescents are thought not to form such things in that age group.
In fact, I imagine that a healthy thing would be to say that such is not a decision, but instead what we would call in politics a "push poll". Asking presupposes that individuals are supposed to "make a selection" at some point. Instead, the selection is made at large for a two sex species and disorder (or whatever term people want to use) allows patterning in other manners in a small minority.
Scouts uses a program of "Two Deep Leadership" so that adult scouters are always at least two in number in dealing with scouts. The thought being that if one adult has deviencies, the presence of the other precludes that first adult from exercising such actions. This works well for any sort of wrong choice that an adult might involve youth in if left by themselves.
Note to folks in Philly: You all have bigger problems to deal with, don't you....
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