Posted on 11/15/2007 7:50:21 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder
Frontal Assault on Freedom: FBI Raids Liberty Dollar Posted by BJT on Nov 15, 2007 Read this email closely. I just got it this morning. Those of you who consider the gold standard a quaint anachronism, pay extra close attention. If Ron Paul supporters, gold standard advocates and the Liberty Dollar were nothing but harmless kooks, why would the FBI raid their offices when no crime was ever committed? This is a currency competing with the USD, yes, but they never, but never make the claim that it is legal tender or anything other than what it is: private currency. And private currencies are numerous in the USA.
No. This raid happened because the Liberty Dollar, the second most popular currency in the country, threatens to usurp the entrenched power of the Fed’s Almighty Dollar. People can see the buying power of the greenback eroding, and they will choose something else if it is available, and the Liberty Dollar is ready and waiting. And that’s why the government must resort to force in order to protect its stranglehold on the economy.
From Liberty Dollar Headquarters: Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:
I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville.
For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts.
We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money.
But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken.
This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.
The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people’s hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form.
I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it will be filled… if ever… it now all depends on our actions.
Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don’t let this happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal – to return America to a value based currency.
Please forward this important Alert… so everyone who possess or use the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.
Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back!
If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the following into your web browser. http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php
Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and their dollar sinks to a new low.
Bernard von NotHaus
I've never heard of a surprise birthday party where the person whose birthday it was never brought to the party, never received any of the presents and was never informed after the fact that a birthday party had taken place in his honor without his knowledge, no.
Sounds like a pretty weird surprise party to me.
My guess would be no, but can you get US dollars for gift cards? No there too. Don't misunderstand my position. I don't think it's a good idea to invest in these things, but I think that people ought to be able to make that decision for themselves, and if they want to go ahead and do it without the feds blocking it.
This is a scam.
So are gift cards, but people buy them in droves.
Who better to scam than conspiracy theorists
If you're dumb enough to fall for it then you pay. At least they get the value of the precious metal in the coins the bought. If you buy maple leaves or Kruggerands or commemorative coins from the Franklin mint, it's exactly the same thing - you pay a premium over the value of the gold for the privilege of getting the metal. I don't see the point in shutting these guys down and letting the aforementioned business models continue.
If you’re going to make slanderous accusations like that, the least you could do is call the FBI and Secret Service offices involved and waste about 30 seconds of some bored receptionist’s time to confirm whether or not there was, in fact, a raid.
Might save you from a lawsuit if you turn out to be wrong.
You’re a funny boy! The sky is falling and only Ron Paul can save us.
Well, we have the twisted mind of John McCain to thank for the weirdness of campaign finance laws, now, don't we?
It's a con. You have been scammed. They simply manufactured a phony claim of an "FBI raid" and walking away with the money laughing their butts off at the foolish naivety of the Paulbots.
I guess it behooves you to change the subject at this point.
The peso is the 2nd most popular currency in this country.
They dont have to be legal tender. If a merchant and a consumer agree to the transaction with Liberty Dollars, then whats the problem? And noone can be forced to accept them, so once again, whats the problem?
Now, the prospect of campaign finance issues by having a "Ron Paul for President" coin, could be the issue here. Th
LOLOLOLOL! Who si goi9ng to sue MNJohnnie for calling a scam artist a scam artist? You? On what possible grounds?
Ha, ha. Funny aside: My wife DID throw a 40th surprise birthday party for me. And it WAS a big surprise...to her. Why? Because I didn't show up.
Long story, which I won't to into here, but true :)
something with actual worth, precious metal..
They're independent expenditure contributions. If I pull the sheet off my bed, spray paint "Ron Paul For President" on it, and hang it from my trees, I don't have to report the cost of the sheet and the can of spray paint as a campaign contribution.
Now you are a list the FBI has somewhere. If the story is to be believed. :-)
Have any of you bothered to contact the FBI office and ask them if this is true? Any reports of this “Raid” in the local media? Any confirmation of any of this OTHER then the blast email sent out by the supposed organization?
Instead of screaming bile at everyone for pointing out the painfully obvious, maybe you people better confirm your facts before you post you rumors and accusations as “news”
If there was, in fact, a comprehensive FBI and SS raid, then his post is false and defamatory.
If that's the case, how did they confiscate Ron Paul Peace Dollary, which were issued in July?
Maybe we should post him the 1st Amendment.
fake currency?
1) The coins are actually precious metal
2) They tell you right on the site this is a barter currency and not a legal currency. Going so far as to say “These places accept LD’s”
3) If they are going to do this they better go after every store, amusement park, or ... who offers $Whatever Dollars..
I’m pretty sure that stamps are still considered legal tender—not 100%, though.
So you’re saying they should’ve done what some of those commemorative mints do with their silly coins, and make them legal tender in Palau or somewhere like that? Interesting idea.
The whole thing still smells scammish to me. Private barter using these coins is fine, but it’s really hard to read the ads and not draw the conclusion that von Nuthaus is really trying to set up the LD as an alternative currency, not just a means of barter. Seems like he was trying to skate as close to the line as he possibly could in terms of advertising and the design of the items, and the Feds think he crossed it.
Not to mention, a sudden case of “oops, we lost all our records, we can’t pay you back” is DAMNED convenient, albeit plausible if his offices just got raided.
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